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Ireland votes to legalize same-sex marriage

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Dear Is Mise,

You wrote;

“It is worth keeping in mind that the largest religion in the world decrees death for homosexuality and the vote in Ireland means zilch to them.”

Which was patently absurd.

You then attempted to qualify it with;

“I should have used denomination”.

Rubbish my friend, you got caught out flaunting and trying to propagate your hyped up fears.

Indonesia has the largest population of the followers of Islam in the world.

“The national criminal code does not prohibit private, non-commercial homosexual relations between consenting adults.”
Wikipedia

A country that did come within a whisker of legislating the death penalty for homosexual acts was the highly Christianised nation of Uganda. And who was it that prompted then assisted in writing of the legislation?

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One of the first to investigate links between American conservatives and the African anti-gay movement was Kipya Kaoma, a Zambian clergyman living in Boston. Homosexuality was illegal in Uganda under existing colonial laws, he explained, “But nobody was ever arrested or prosecuted based on those old laws. People turned a blind eye to it. Homosexuality was not a political issue.”
“That changed in 2009, Rev Kaoma said, when a group of American evangelicals led by Pastor Scott Lively, a self-proclaimed expert on the “gay movement”, held a series of talks in Uganda. Mr Lively warned audiences that the “evil institution” of homosexuality sought to “prey upon” and recruit Ugandan children in a bid to “defeat the marriage-based society”.

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What do you do think America would look like without a strong bill of rights keeping the Evangelists in check?

Perhaps checking your facts a little more vigorously in the future would be a good idea, unless of course you remain determined to never let the truth get in the way of a good prejudice?
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 26 May 2015 10:34:56 PM
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SteeleRedux we must apologise to is Mise, he was right the first time. Yes indeed,

<<It is worth keeping in mind that the largest religion in the world decrees death for homosexuality and the vote in Ireland means zilch to them.>>

Let me present the evidence on Is Mise's behalf.

Pastor Steven Anderson (Christian) of the Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe, Arizona recently appeared on an Irish radio show.

To quote the good Pastor Anderson "I Believe That the Government Should Use the Death Penalty on Homosexuals."

Is Mise, are you a member of the Faithful World Baptist Church? If not, why not! They do think like you.
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 27 May 2015 9:52:11 AM
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Hi Suseonline

Please don’t assume that all, or most, Christians oppose marriage equality, simply because some Christians think their faith demands they oppose gay marriage. I’m a (straight, middle aged, married) Christian and support marriage equality, as do most of my Christian friends and acquaintances. Nor are we particularly unusual. At a recent synod of the Perth Anglican church (roughly equivalent to a party’s annual conference), a significant majority of both clergy and lay representatives voted to support gay unions. Alas, a church is not a democracy, and the vote was overturned by the Archbishop, but the vote shows that Christians do not necessarily take a single line on this issue.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-07/anglicans-in-perth-vote-to-recognise-same-sex-marriages/5002762
Posted by Rhian, Wednesday, 27 May 2015 11:24:34 AM
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I did qualify it with 'denomination' in accord with Paul's link, and corrected my statement with,

"It is worth keeping in mind that the second largest religion in the world decrees death for homosexuality and the vote in Ireland means zilch to them [Muslims]."

The which, of course, has nowt to do with my personal attitude to homosexuality, in which I do not indulge.
I have mentioned previously that I've had soldiers under my command who were homosexual but they were fine soldiers, even if Paul found them to be figures of fun.

The only homosexuals to whom I would apply the death penalty are those that are convicted as serial paedophiles.
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 27 May 2015 12:01:58 PM
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Rhian, of course not all Christians are against gay marriage, I never said they were.

Would you agree however that it is the very religious Christians and other non-Christians who are the noisy minority who oppose gay marriage and other 'sins' they believe we should all stay away from?

Ireland is the most Christian country I have ever been in, and I lived there for a year. All my husband's relatives are practicing Catholics and yet they all voted for legalizing gay marriage.

This was only able to happen because while they all still believe in a God, they no longer believe the so-called holy men, like the Bishops and Archbishops , are infallible or even vaguely in the same league as this God.
So they voted against their wishes. Good on them.
Posted by Suseonline, Thursday, 28 May 2015 1:27:33 AM
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What right or purpose has the State got to register social unions that two persons can now agree to draw up in a legal contract of agreement. Homosexuals are not happy with that they want to confront persons of conscience who believe homosexual acts are abhorrent social activity. It is civil conflict they want, so they can lay charges of discrimination against persons who in good conscience find such acts abhorrent.
Posted by Josephus, Thursday, 28 May 2015 4:23:52 AM
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