Suseonline,
You merely degrade anyone who disagrees with you as unintelligent and irrational. This is bigotry and not rational and intelligent discussion.

Please give logical reasons why no one will be affected by giving homosexuals the term "marriage" to their sexual relationship. States that have granted such have been plagued by legal action by homosexuals against people standing up in good conscience for their right of conscience. Prime example "Sweet Cakes" who were fined $135,000. for not accepting an order to bake a cake depicting homosexual marriage.

The issue is discrimination and the activists will not lie down with just the term marriage, they want to criminalise anyone who in good conscience objects to their lifestyle. They are as passionate about their cause as those affected by racial discrimination.

Is Mise,

So then what Christian denominations do you consider to not be following the core teachings of Jesus? Perhaps the Westborough Baptist Church, but they’re not very big. And even then, Jesus was inconsistent enough to support what they do to some extent. Second to them would maybe be the Catholic Church since they believe that all good people go to Heaven when Jesus said that it only matters what one believes (then the good deeds are suppose to come after that).

This idea, however, that Jesus came to chuck out all the old nasty bits in the Old Testament is nonsense. In the sermon on the mount, Jesus even says that not a jot or tittle of the law will be changed until Heaven and Earth have passed away, and that anyone who breaks the least of those laws will be the least in Heaven (Matthew 5:17-20). When Jesus speaks of fulfilling the law, he just means that although God still enjoys the smell of burning blood, we no longer need to sacrifice animals to him. He's over that now, apparently, and Jesus replaces the need for all those other sacrifices.

The Old Testament instructs us who we can enslave, how much we can pay for them, and how much we can beat them. That’s never trumped in the New Testament and the same goes for the laws and moral instructions regarding homosexuality. In fact, the New Testament goes even further by telling slaves to obey their masters with respect, even the cruel ones (1 Peter 2:18-25).

This soft apologetic from modern Christians that Jesus was all about loving one’s neighbour as oneself and getting rid of all the nasty bits in the Old Testament is a nonsense claim made by Christians who, I suspect, have not read their Bibles - as so many haven’t. And not beyond the four Gospels even if they have.

Is Mise

<<It is worth keeping in mind that the largest religion in the world decrees death for homosexuality and the vote in Ireland means zilch to them.>>

Is that what Christianity decrees, after all it is the largest religion in the world by number.

http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

Paul et al,

OK, I'll modify that.
It is worth keeping in mind that the second largest religion in the world decrees death for homosexuality and the vote in Ireland means zilch to them.

Lol Is Mise, what does it matter what Muslims, or any other religion followers, think of what Ireland has voted for? The fact is, gay marriage was legally voted in, with nothing to do with religion at all.

My husband phoned his brother in Ireland last night, and he lives in a small village in County Limerick. He was saying he had voted for gay marriage and, amazingly, all the elderly Catholics he spoke to in the village had voted it in as well.

Apparently, the previously devout Catholic village were very angry with the recent clergy child sex abuse scandals, and the unmarried mothers who had their babies 'stolen' from them years ago by Catholic institutions.
They feel disillusioned with the previously revered Catholic priests and nuns, and church attendance has plummeted.

Josephus, you have given examples of American people who were actually proven guilty of discrimination against gay people, so what is your point? Obviously, anyone who discriminates against others because of their sexual orientation is breaking the laws as they are in America. That has nothing to do with granting gay people the legal right to marry.

You are probably right in saying I shouldn't call people unintelligent if they don't agree with me, but I do find this subject frustrating in that I don't like others trying to force their religious ideals on unwilling people.
In any case, I have been called much worse for my views on abortion rights for women, but that is apparently ok if it is not the religious anti-choice stance preferred by homophobes.

Suse,

"Lol Is Mise, what does it matter what Muslims, or any other religion followers, think of what Ireland has voted for?"

Yeah, that's what I said.