Dear o sung wu,

Re your confusion.

In some circumstances your fears are valid. There are only a certain number of people we can realistically accept in any one year before it starts having a negative impact on our way of life, our communities and our values. I'm not sure there are many who are advocating open slather. But that wasn't the language you used.

But could I ask you to reflect on your last post for a moment.

The discussion was centred around the plight of several thousand Rohingya refugees fleeing severe ethic violence in Bangladesh and Myanmar. They had been reduced to floating in the Indian ocean without adequate food or water after the captain and crew had deserted them and the Malaysian authorities had forced them back to sea.

Yet you chose to use terms like “interdict illegal immigration”, “It's the enforcement bodies that are the problem.”. You spoke of “stringent measures to protect the people, the culture, and the way of life in this great Nation” and of  ASIO, ASIS, ONA and the AFP.

While most of the world was caught up in the plight of these poor souls you saw them as a threat.

When our Prime Minister was asked if Australia was going to take any of these desperate people the words were “Nope! Nope! Nope!”. Little if any difference.

We should be stepping up to help. Agreeing to take let's say 10 to 20 percent of the Rohingya would not be a great burden, especially for a nation as wealthy as ours. We would be seen to be doing our bit, to be honouring our international commitments, being ordinary giving and generous Aussies, something we use to be well known for.

We take in nearly 200,000 new migrants every year, a growing proportion of those are business migrants, particularly from China who are buying citizenship. We take less than 20,000 refugees. I think that is patently unfair. I would be happy to see our normal migration levels drop by 50,000 to take in 20,000 more people in need.

I hope that helps.

'night to you POIROT...

I hear you, and no doubt you've heard all the arguments, for and against ad infinitum to a point where any reasonable person would indeed lapse into a state of lethargy ?

I again reiterate, I harbour enormous respect for the lovely trio, FOXY, yourself (POIROT) and SUSEONLINE. Without each of your individual input(s) that tends to occasion this splendid, steadying and moderating effect; uneducated louts like myself, would probably run riot throughout the entire Forum, unless or until I ended up being permanently suspended !

Take care POIROT.

O' Sung,
I'm yet to hear an actual argument in favour of allowing thousands of undocumented Asian men to enter Australia apart from "muh feelings" and "God is watching us".
Maybe our resident cat ladies and boy lovers can explain how admitting these men will make us safer, richer and better educated ?
How do my daughters benefit from having thousands of illiterate Asian Muslim men with no skills and no prospects roaming the streets and riding the trains all day?
It's estimated that 25% of Asian Muslim men are raped as children and aside from causing psychiatric illness straight off the bat child sexual abuse is the most significant factor in whether or not a person goes on to rape himself so how will Australians benefit from having thousands of these men, unemployable, unstable and sexually frustrated living among us?
At a time when many Asian nations including China are effectively banning Islam or cracking down on violent,criminal minorities like Rohingya why should the Australian government be going full steam ahead in aiding and abetting the spread of this insidious doctrine?

Dear o sung wu,

This is where it gets interesting and more than a little telling.

Jay of Melbourne has made no secret of his deep racism, his affinity with the actions and ideals of the Nazi party, and his denial of many details of the Holocaust.

He is the type of person who my father would have had little compunction placing a rather sizable hobnailed boot up his 'jacksy' if he came across him in any walk of life. As a champion boxer across a couple of divisions in the RAN he had little time for arguing the point when it came to Neo-Nazis. He firmly believed the war against Germany was right and just primarily because of his abhorrence of what it stood for.

Yet you seem to have a great affinity for JOM, agreeing with many of his positions, even applauding some of them.

I don't see the threats to my country coming from the likes of desperate starving refugees afloat in the Indian Ocean, nor do I really see it coming from the likes of JOM because he is nothing without the support of the likes of you. You represent a slice of Australia who have been made fearful by our media and our lowlife politicians. If some of the halfway decent folks like yourself who perhaps in the past would have had little time for the JOMs of this world are now starting to listen to their propaganda and ideology then maybe this country really does have a problem, one that may well lead us into responses that will change us as a nation forever.

It perhaps is why Poirot understandably has been driven to paint you all with a similar brush. While I acknowledge in your case there might be some delineation it certainly isn't a chasm.

STEELWREDUX...

My 'confusion' was not centred around the current Rohingya refugee crisis, it amounted to an entirely different matter.

I heard Tony ABBOTT this afternoon, clearly indicated that we as a nation, would NOT offer to resettle any of these people in this country. His position is entirely correct in my opinion. He further stated that material aid would be provided to help resettle these people. Again I agree, that's an entirely proper course of action in these circumstances.

A short time ago, the President of Gambia announced that he would resettle ALL those Rohingya refugees fleeing from Burma and Bangladesh, saying something to the effect'...it's our sacred duty to resettle these Islamic refugees...' or similar. If this is correct, mindful, Gambia is a very poor underdeveloped nation, massive amounts of Aid will be required.

Strategically and from a humanity position, it's far better for a group of Islamic refugees be resettled in a country that's predominately Muslim. It's more agreeable to the host populous, and more amenable for the refugees themselves.

I don't intend to (again) reiterate my clear opposition to an further Islamic immigration, be they originate from a legitimate refugee status, to ordinary immigration. It's been clearly demonstrated the difficulties that are now confronting Australian authorities with the mounting chaos and irresolution arising out of the whole Muslim debate - my views on this matter are absolutely intransigent, and are known to you STEELEREDUX.

It was just a few short months ago when you and I strenuously debated the merits and negatives associated with any further Islamic integration into our culture ? You'd agree, a series of regrettable events have now transpired and very quickly supplanted those discussions. To a point where no reasonable man would knowingly support further bulk intake(s) of Islamic refugees into this country ?

As I overheard a brief piece in a discussion the other night, "the bastards bite the hand that feeds them" ? I'm not entirely sure of that but still, it's an opinion ?

Excuse me, but I find it necessary to now vacate this computer for the evening, as I have a pretty decent headache coupled with sore eyes. It is my intention to speak again on the morrow provided that is, that I continue to remain in the vertical state. Good night.