I dunno POIROT, If you were to think about this issue more pragmatically without allowing your politically or personal bias to scuttle the argument, I'm positive you'll see the seriousness and urgency that we must closely protect our borders. Sure, you've probably labelled me a dope, and I'll admit when it comes to the intricacies and internal machinations of Party politics, I'm a dope ?

But on this issue, the need to introduce stringent measures to protect the people, the culture, and the way of life in this great Nation of ours is vital. Just as the thousands of miles of uninhabited coastline, needs appropriate coastal surveillance measures.

Between you and me, my information reveals, the AFP neither have the skills nor the wherewithal to adequately interdict illegal immigration. Moreover, the Abbott government hasn't the courage, or maybe the 'know how', to fully rollout the necessary protocols and legislation (if required) to bring to an end, this protracted departmental antipathy, jealousy, or isolationism that has hitherto been vigorously practised by each of our internal security agencies ?

It's my (unverifiable) understanding, ASIO, ASIS and ONA, generally have a reasonable climate of co-operation. It's the enforcement bodies that are the problem. State police neither trust or have sufficient confidence in the AFP. Customs and the AFP instead of working co-operatively, are guarded with their dissemination of Intel., therefore vital 'product' can simply go awry. Both have enjoyed, joint successes in the interdiction of illicit drugs. But with other operations, not so effectively I've heard ?

As a matter of interest, it was Gough WHITLAM who wished to create the 'Australia Police Force' by amalgamating the C'Wealth, NT, ACT Police Forces and the Bureau of Customs. He lost the election, therefore it didn't come to fruition.

It's my opinion POIROT, though importation of drugs is as serious as it gets, the priority should be adjusted to accommodate the burgeoning crime of 'radicalisation' of our young Islamic youth. All of them begin this process, while being influenced and personally orchestrated by certain disgruntled Imams, many of whom are here on visitors visa's.

Foxy Quote "Australia as a rich nation" I am not sure where you went to school but I would say Australia being Billions of dollars in debt would not come under that category.

That would be like saying if you have millions of dollars today but loose it and are now millions of dollars in debt you are a rich person.

We were rich in surplus until Dudd and Dillard came into the power.

It is easy to be generous with other peoples money.

Malaysia and Indonesia give the refugees nothing, how long do you think they will stay there before coming here?

Hi POIROT...

Your mocking attempts to ridicule my vocabulary has not entirely escaped me ? Specifically my use of the noun 'vituperation' ? You might recall you enquired why I used all 'upper-case' whenever I used a surname or similar, my explanation seemed to've satisfied you ?

Likewise, when a Brief is prepared, or alternatively, a 'Hand-up' Summary of Facts is forwarded to DPP, in order to convey (precisely) bad, insulting, foul cursing or blaspheming language, for the benefit of the judiciary, the noun 'vituperation' has now become acceptable to 'their learned Honour's'. Therefore it's now invariably become part of common policing parlance, generally contained within Court documents ?

o sung wu,

You read it wrong...

I wasn't attempting to mock your "vocabulary" (and I'll add that it's one of the more impressive vocabularies on this forum)

I was attempting to mock your hypocrisy - in that you went to great lengths to chide me over my short post with lines such as:

"I couldn't imagine anybody reading this, while 'seething' away to such an extent they became so warped of mind, so contorted with utter loathing, they sit before their computer, spewing and gushing out abhorrence and vituperation towards those who just happen to have an opposing view...."

All the while ignoring all the other posters on this thread who have far exceeded any rhetoric from me.

Thanks for the explanation..." ....in order to convey (precisely) bad, insulting, foul cursing or blaspheming language..."

You intimated that I was "... warped of mind, so contorted with utter loathing...spewing and gushing out abhorrence and vituperation..."

Can you point out where I was employing "...bad, insulting, foul cursing or blaspheming language"?

Any comment on the vituperation of others who slam people "who just happen to have an opposing view" on this thread -or is your criticism only reserved for moi?

Hi there POIROT...

That's my trouble with you POIROT...I can't READ YOU at all ? I'm not sure whether your 'threads' are designed to be 'tongue in cheek'; critical of the writer, or the substance attributed to that writer, or a combination of both ? Or on the other hand, none of the above ?

Similar to the titular architect of your sobriquet Mrs CHRISTIE, your 'threads' weave mysteriously, this way n' that, not unlike a young shrub swaying gently in a placid breeze, all the while attracting the unwary victim into a snare ! Still with many unanswered questions ?
Are you serious ? Is what you say, 'tongue in cheek', or are you in reality laughing at what's been said ? What exactly 'IS' your position POIROT...?

That's the conundrum that I find myself confronted with ?

My censure is NOT directed at you (precisely) POIROT, but at some of the language that you choose to employ ? Is it your intent to thoroughly castigate and criticise those of us, who are diametrically opposed to much of your political ideology ? Obviously you're academically gifted way beyond many of us who contribute to this Forum. Most certainly myself !

What confounds me completely, instead of dissecting the opposition's propositions, you (often) tend to merely deride them and their reasoning, almost an admission that you're too lethargic to even bother with their banal explanation(s) ? Rather than engaging them with an opposing argument which you're more than capable of espousing. Yet you confine your replies to that of a rapier wit and biting cynicism, leaving your opponents dazed and reeling on the ropes.

You, FOXY and DAVID F are amongst the few shining intellects on this Forum and OLO. Yet, all of you are very much from the Left ? What is it, that I'm missing ?

o sung wu,

"What confounds me completely, instead of dissecting the opposition's propositions, you (often) tend to merely deride them and their reasoning, almost an admission that you're too lethargic to even bother with their banal explanation(s) ? Rather than engaging them with an opposing argument which you're more than capable of espousing. Yet you confine your replies to that of a rapier wit and biting cynicism, leaving your opponents dazed and reeling on the ropes."

Think you've hit the nail on the head - definitely "lethargy" as I've been around here for a while and have gone over this subject time and time again, listened to all the arguments, put forward my own and debated opposing views, usually receiving a smattering of light abuse here and there..

Which means I probably shouldn't get onto these threads at all if I'm not prepared to get down into the mire in a more fulsome fashion. : )

Remember I did say that I avoided even clicking onto this thread because I knew I'd see red and toss a comment in. I suppose the other option is not to come here - especially if I find I can't be bothered debating things which I've debated any times over in the past.

But I assume you can see why I took you to task for your comment - as you don't seem to chide others with whom you are in agreement in the same manner.

Anyway, all in all you seem like a good bloke - so we'll leave it there shall we.