SteeleRedux,

LOL, that really is silly stuff.

Dear Hasbeen,

SteeleRedux works really hard at trying to see
the big picture and not getting stuck in ego.
He's a rarity on this forum.

Steele Redux, I too wondered about all the inappropriate talk from OTB about all these 'buff young men', because I havn't noticed any of them on the TV footage about these boat refugees? All I have seen are sick emaciated people.

Hasbeen is obviously ok with his mate's sleezy discussion about young men's bodies. That does surprise me a little.

In any case, I agree that for now this boat people disaster is too hard to solve.

Bazz,

Compartmentalised thinking is also a problem.

Many here who oppose (say) the development of dams and demand that young Australian couples NOT have children are nonetheless strident supporters of Open Door immigration and refuse to place any limits on it.

If it sounds as though they are cutting off their own noses to spite their faces they probably are. That is the way of the culturally cringing, self-loathing leftist elite and it will not change.

They don't even want any screening of prospective migrants with preference being given to the most suitable candidates. According to the international socialist 'Progressives' that would not be immigration authorities exercising due diligence and judgement, but 'discrimination'(!).

Say what? Exercising due diligence to identify and treat risks implies discrimination in judgement. -Not where the prevailing political correctness of the leftist 'Progressives' has changed the meaning of words though!

In Britain, the 'Progressives' and British Labour are busily trying to sweep under the carpet the sex trafficking of at least 1,400 children by Pakistani migrants who imported their toxic political system and culture. They are surprised apparently, but they should not have been, read here,

<There are 1.5 million street kids in Pakistan -- an estimated 90% of them have been sexually abused at some point in their lives.

Rape in Pakistan is so common, it’s barely taboo. Last week the Daily Mail interviewed a bus driver from Peshawar who says, after his shift is over, he likes to go into the slums and rape street kids. Sometimes he pays them a dollar. But often he doesn’t – he just joins in a big gang rape.>
http://www.torontosun.com/2014/09/08/pakistans-troubling-rape-problem

The 'Progressives' are so 'compassionate' that they repeat the same mistakes. Maybe it is all bunk too and they are driven more by an irrational hatred of their own society.

Follow-up post:

These two paragraphs by David Leyonhjelm[1] distinguish those who can contribute to an Enlightenment-based democracy such as Australia in contrast to a Fifth Column[2] who are called on to replace it with slavery:

“Australia neither needs nor wants to import illiberal values, whether from Sharia or any other value system. Indeed, we are far too accepting of those who come to Australia with its respect for liberty, only to seek to transform it into something like the illiberal, authoritarian country they left behind.”

and

“We would seek to confirm this with a citizenship test, not about historical trivia or tricky definitions, but liberal democratic values – values we share with lots of other liberal democracies. Our test would be outward-looking and our concept of citizenship cosmopolitan, exploring values such as women's rights (particularly suffrage), free speech, freedom to divorce, freedom of association, and freedom of religion – including the right to leave a religion or have no religion at all.”

[1] http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=17330
[2] http://www.yourdictionary.com/fifth-colum

Compassion is not a value that can profitably be debated, vulnerable as it is to emotional and usually self-righteous pee-ing contests [1].

The global refugee crisis can be solved only by those primarily responsible. This responsibility lies not with Western intervention (much as that contributes to the problem) but primarily with anti-human religion and pig-ignorant tribal savagery [2] that is choking the Mediterranean and the seas of our region with the dead bodies of desperate hordes trying to get away – in many cases seeking to transplant the original cause of their misery to the countries that give them refuge.

Third world raw materials and the European Enlightenment process are the mainstay of the liberty and relative prosperity in which the people of the West live. The heavy lifting in the West is based on those contributors and the science ushered in by the Enlightenment together with often backbreaking hard work. And with massive sacrifices in protecting the gains from aggression.

Whatever NUMBER of immigrants (no matter how they arrive, what must be paramount in protecting liberty in Australia is the QUALITY of those we accept. Quality is not defined by ancestry (the obsession of racist tribalists) [3]). The best definition I have seen of it appears in two paragraphs (inter alia) of a recent OLO article by David Leyonhjelm [4].

[1] E.g. scroll through this thread.
[2] Islam and ancestry-specific “cultures”.
[3] Those who class people including themselves by their ancestry. Spectemur agendo.
[4] So apt I’ll devote a follow-up post to it.

(Oops - the follow-up has already appeared)