According to the Daily Mail they were shot a 00.33 and died at 01.02 it took about half an hour for them to die. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3058877/Bali-Nine-duo-Myuran-Sukumaran-Andrew-Chan-executed-firing-squad.html

& another report says they were shot at 3.32 AM. Who cares they're dead. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

“In the world ruled by tigers with ulcers, rutted by strictured bulls, scavenged by blind jackals”
Steinbeck.

Joko Widodo might be the ulcerated tiger but we seem to be gathering the rutting strictured bulls here.

This is what what the majority of Western Nations think of the death penalty;

“The European Union holds a strong and principled position against the death penalty; its abolition is a key objective for the Union’s human rights policy. Abolition is, of course, also a pre-condition for entry into the Union.”
http://eeas.europa.eu/human_rights/adp/index_en.htm

They are not 'bleeding hearts' but rather nations who see the savagery implicit in state sanctioned murder, who recognise that this is an affront to western values such as respect for human rights, democracy and justice. I might even say they are countries that also reflect in their stance a New Testament sensibility of redemption, forgiveness and mercy rather than an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth attitude that pervades so many other countries and societies.

It is called civilised behaviour.

I am proud to be part of a country whose governments have rightfully abandoned the death penalty.

When Keating declared he saw our future as 'Eurasian' my objection was not one of race but more a concern about values. There are some very 'Asian' sensibilities being propagated on this thread, having lived in Asia for many years I know them when I see them.

But probably the starkest is this comment from chrisgraff9000;

“I am getting the video tomorrow and will post it.”

Death porn is such a feature of some Asian cultures and one that I never came to terms with.

It is my hope for Australia that we manage to hold on the our progressive liberal Western values and the responses by the wider Australian public about the murders in Indonesia serve to strengthen that hope. They also make it easier to ignore the bleating of our resident OLO 'strictured bulls' whose impotent rantings seem so determined to align us with Asia that 'treasonous' seems not to be an entirely inappropriate label.

I'm not sure about anyone else, but the media coverage of this execution has been totally shameful and demonstrates beyond any doubt they've not got a skerrick of shame, or an apology for the gutter reporting that I've heard ? Furthermore, their speculation of how the execution's achieved, is more like they're engaging in some form of journalistic 'ballistic masturbation' !

Concerning the merits or morality of these two criminals being executed, I've always harboured an objection against capital punishment per se. Except that which has been in acted contemporaneous with the crime. An ISIS terrorist(s) caught 'in the act' of committing a crime against innocents (humanity).

That said, as far as these two are concerned, particularly SUKUMARAN he was a really vicious thug, using his intimidation and reputation to frighten the hell out all those unfortunate enough to cross his path. The fact he's deceased, concerns me little. While CHAN, was reputed as the brains and ringleader, I wouldn't know ? They played the game, and lost. The only real and tangible benefit for the Australian and the Indonesian community, was the demise of these two seasoned criminals.

I personally don't believe the Death Penalty is ever a deterrent. And in most cases I don't think it's meant to be. FOXY says it's more like society's retribution or punishment ? I think she's quite correct.

Dear SteeleRedux,

Welcome back.

I have missed your posts.

A question that needs to be asked is the involvement
of the AFP in this entire matter.

Why did the AFP provide
information to the Indonesian authorities and got these people
arrested in the first place?
After all these people were smuggling drugs out of Indonesia
into Australia. The AFP knew of the existence of the
death penalty in Indonesia - and what would happen
if Indonesians got hold of these Australians.
Why didn't the AFP wait until these people
reached Australia - and then either follow them and catch
those responsible for this drug network or get them to
give them the names of those involved. Apparently the head
of this drug trafficking network is alive and well and
living a life of luxury on the Gold Coast.

By reporting them to the Indonesians the AFP virtually sealed
their fate. We need to ask - why?

cont'd ...

I forgot to add that the
AFP does intend to offer an explanation of their
actions at a later time (out of respect for the
families of the deceased). Hopefully this will
provide us with the answers and clarification.