Dear Jayb,

I appreciate your bringing a chuckle or two into
this discussion.

Now, back to the topic ...

back on topic
What does Capital Punishment actually achieve.
Gets rid of scumbags out of the world for good
Those 2 will never smuggle drugs again. success
Probably be a few more thousands in our Jails atm maybe we could buy the Indonesians a few cases of bullets and and send a few plane loads of our problems to them. Rather then pretending this isnt happening

Dear Aussieboy,

Actually capital punishment in Indonesia does not
stop the drug trafficking trade. Attorney-General
H.M. Prasetyo has stated that the number of drug
users has risen to 4.5 million with 1.2 million of
them beyond the point of rehabilitation because of
the extreme natures of their cases.

In other words, the death penalty for drug traffickers
in Indonesia has done zilch to stem the spread of
drugs into Indonesian communities. Ironically, Indonesia
is well noted as a strong advocate against the
death penalty for its citizens abroad.

Attorney-General Prasetyo describes the tentacles of
crime-syndicates spreading beyond major cities to
rural areas - saying 45% of SE Asia's narcotics market is
in Indonesia and those involved with these syndicates are
Indonesia's police force and the military. Bribe-taking
by police is endemic. Notorious night-spots where drug
use is rife are also owned by prominent figures of the
military and police. Drugs are easily available in their
prisons (as we learned from the Corby experience) and the
judiciary is also riddled with graft - which is an
impenetrable barrier to convictions for drug barons.

Foxy,

"In other words, the death penalty for drug traffickers
in Indonesia has done zilch to stem the spread of
drugs into Indonesian communities."

How do you know?

As I said earlier the drug problem in Indonesia could have been much worse without the death penalty.

I wonder will the Australian Government now stop aid to Indonesia and thus shew them that we (as a nation) abhor their conduct and incidentally stop subsidizing their arms build up.

Foxy: Bribe-taking by police is endemic. Notorious night-spots where drug
use is rife are also owned by prominent figures of the military and police. Drugs are easily available in their prisons (as we learned from the Corby experience) and the judiciary is also riddled with graft - which is an impenetrable barrier to convictions for drug barons.

Foxy this is Common Knowledge, Everybody knows this except our Government, or they do, they just pretend it's not happening. As they say, "Always was & always will be." Just where to you think our Aid money goes? Graft & bribery are not considered crimes in SE Asia. It's their way of doing Business. Unfortunately Australians can't get their heads around that because, for the most part, we are closeted.

Regardless of weather Drug dealing is rife in SE Asia is no reason not to keep pursuing the matter. Indonesia has the death penalty, Everybody who goes there is informed of that fact. There are signs up everywhere. Do the Crime, do the time, Death Penalty 'n all.

Dear Is Mise and Jayb,

How do I know? The information was provided by Indonesia's
own attorney-general H.M. Prasetyo.

It is believed that
around 130 people, predominantly - foreign
nationals (as of 2013) are sentenced to die in
Indonesia. Ten new death sentences are handed down
annually and many of the persons awaiting execution have
been waiting for ten years or more.

Yet as stated earlier
ironically Indonesia is well noted as a strong advocate
against the death penalty for its citizens abroad.

Therefore the point being made is - why instead of the
death penalty - doesn't Indonesia go after their own
corrupt officials, police, military, and drug barons, if they
are serious in preventing drug trafficking - especially when
they are so selective to whom they apply the death penalty -
and especially when it does not stop the trade in Indonesian
communities - which
continues to escalate in that region. Capital punishment
is not a deterrent. And you don't need the wisdom of
Solomon to see that. The facts speak for themselves.

BTW: Julie Bishop left no stone unturned in trying to save
the two men:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/12/australia-offers-to-pay-jail-costs-for-bali-nine-pair-if-their-lives-are-sparred

It would seem that had they offered the judiciary hundreds of
thousand of dollars, the impenetrable barrier to the convictions
may have been lifted (as it is for the drug barons). There is
documented evidence provided for this by an earlier legal adviser
of Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran.

I wonder what if anything our government will do with
this evidence? Also the AFP will be presenting their report
on this matter at a press conference early next week.

Hopefully - we'll get more facts. Another question that
needs to be asked - why did it take over ten years for our
government to pursue this matter, why did they not pursue
the matter when there was a more flexible President in
Indonesia a decade ago?