I don't know about other people on this Forum who've, by necessity confronted death, either in a military, law enforcement or an emergency services worker capacity, but personally I've seen enough of it ? Despite my resolute and vocal intransigency towards criminals, nevertheless I take no joy whatsoever in seeing these two drug couriers executed, whatever the reason ?

And to keep them on this nebulous type of 'death row' (some rat infested little island somewhere) for a matter of six or ten weeks, where everyday they expect to be told they have seventy two hours before they're shot ? Amounts to torture in my opinion, and the Indonesian authorities need a good kick up the backside, and learn some humanity ! Even the 'needle happy' US Texan authorities set a date and stick to it !

Most of my life I've had to confront death's ugly countenance in more ways than one, either killing another human being and much worse 'trespassing' upon his recently deceased mangled body, by searching it and going through his meagre personal possessions, looking at tiny B&W personal photos, that had been carefully wrapped in plastic to prevent the excessive humidity and monsoon rains from destroying it ? How bloody ghoulish and grotesque ! But we used the 'Nuremburg' argument ? Our senior officers ordered us to search for 'intelligence' on any enemy KIA, through ambush or contact ?

Both CHRISGAFF9000 & JAYB would understand exactly what was done, as would IS MISE I suspect !

Or attending countless fatal's while a copper ? And then delivering news of the worst kind to the NOK, that no feeling person should ever have to deliver, all the while trying gently to inform them that a close family member is now deceased ?

And geez you get heartily sick of it all, I can tell you. I suppose most of my many detractor's say I'm becoming soft in my old age ? No, I think I've finally sought admission to the human race, that's all ?

o sung su

you write a lot of sense about the delay in the executions. THe problem is lawyers that profit greatly by stringing things out. How many appeals were these poor guys allowed. The UN sticking their unwanted bib in every situation (except to defend Israel) is also a joke. Personally after 10 years I don't think these guys should of been executed. Lets hope though that a few more Aussies might think twice before dealing in the death trade.I have known a number that have suicided as a result of the drug trade. Strangley enough in WA the Eagles football club have made a hero over one of their players that overdosed and have an annual footy match in his remembrance. Very sick and a 'great'example to the kids.

Dear Poirot,

The words won't really matter so much in a week -
a month- or a year.

Dear Jayb,

Did you know that -
When people are desperately thirsty they do
drink their own urine, sacred or not.
Also urine does have medicinal properties.
When stung by jelly-fish, urine numbs the
sting. Any Medical encyclopedia can provide
more info on the healing properties of urine.
So, you're not that far off base in your
belief that your urine is sacred.

Dear O Sung Wu,

I appreciate your sharing your experiences with us.
You always present us with another perspective.
Thank you.

o sung wu, from your post I can feel the pain you suffered in those confronting situations, and the heartache of having to inform the next of kin, no easy way out. The hardest thing I ever done in life was to sit with my own father in hospital, and tell him he only had weeks to live due to his cancer, we were very close, very much alike, but different, all hope had gone. The old man, survived only three weeks more. No you are not soft my friend, you are a human being, with the feeling of a human being.

Jay, you are getting desperate, quoting from the Jesuits of all people, hardly likely to present unbiased facts, now are they.
Going back to the 1970's, things have moved on from there. I am surprise your not quoting from 'Mein Kampf' on the subject. But I got to say most of your posts are interesting, and you do offer something different.

Poor old Beach is again in a total spin, confusing his Marxist/Feminists with his Feminists/Marxist, forever the believer in some great commie plot to bring down the world as we know it. Conspiracies abound in this blokes mind.

Runner, no one has a problem with your version of marriage and families, its the other way around. To you based on your religious belief, not only does everyone else have to accept your moral standards on marriage and families, they have to embrace them as well, or burn in hell.

Hippie, there is not much to say, unless Jay admits to wearing a pink tie or something. He will have to give you the answer to satisfy your curiosity.

Is Mise, you remind me of 'Horace Rumpole' and "she who must be obeyed." A couple of my all time favorites, both you on the forum, and Rumpole on TV.

Foxy and Susie, All I can say is thanks, after reading the rubbish, (see above) I come to your posts, and they restore my faith in this forum, that at least two people post things of value, for the rest of us to read. Thanks again.

Dear Paul,

Thank you for your very kind words.

Discussions are not easy - and it is often
difficult to not only come up with hard facts and
evidence to prove one's claim but also try to
provide the reasoning behind the claim.
There are many posters that I admire on this
Forum. Many who have taught me a great deal, and
from whom I continue to learn.

The most difficult thing that I find to do - is not
to take any bait. There are quite a few posters
who manage to say what truly
needs saying, and they manage to stay calm and contained.
That's something I sometimes find hard to do. But I
shall continue to keep trying and following their
excellent example.

Again - Thanks for your kind words.