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What does capital punishment actually achieve?

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Foxy,

"How do I know? The information was provided by Indonesia's
own attorney-general H.M. Prasetyo. "

How would he know?

It is simply un-knowable, one person or 100,000 may have been deterred,
I know that I'd be deterred, for only a fool would take the risk.
Would you not be deterred by the death penalty?
Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 3 May 2015 6:41:03 PM
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Dear Is Mise,

The stats given by Indonesia's attorney-general
speak for themselves. Drug trafficking has not
been deterred in the slightest (as the stats show)
due to capital punishment. The trade continues to
flourish despite capital punishment. That's how we know.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 3 May 2015 9:27:40 PM
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Foxy: Drug trafficking has not been deterred in the slightest (as the stats show) due to capital punishment.

So are you suggesting that they do what Australian Judges do. "Oh please be nice. I'm sure you have learnt you're lesson. Try not to be naughty. Next time, I'll give you a right ol' ticking off. Off you go & don't get caught again. You're costing me a fortune when you do."
Posted by Jayb, Sunday, 3 May 2015 9:40:40 PM
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Dear Jayb,

I was merely questioning those who support the
execution of small-time dealers like the Bali 9 -
why not go after those truly crippling our
society with "legal" drugs?

Just taking alcohol as an example - we're told that
alcohol kills 15 Australians and hospitalises another
430 every day.

According to the 2014 VicHealth and Foundation for Alcohol
Research and Education's Alcohol's Burden of Disease in
Australia Report - "the number of alcohol-attributed
hospitalisations and deaths has increased by 62% since the
study was last undertaken a decade ago."

Alcohol is killing more Australians than terrorism and
domestic violence and road fatalities and heroin
overdoses combined.

It's legality makes it no less lethal. It's the worst drug.
It's just that the majority of people in our society
happen to like it. Also the Australian booze industry is
worth $10 billion a year. Our laws encourage them to flourish.

The following link may be of interest:

http://www.vichealth.vic.gov.au/media-and-resources/media-releases/alcohol-kills-15-australians-a-day
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 3 May 2015 9:49:52 PM
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Foxy,

The statistics shew the past and current levels of drug trafficking, they cannot shew any deterrent effects, either positive or negative, because such deterrence is an unquantifiable item.
No one can possibly know how many people were disuaded from becoming drug dealers because of the death penalty.
When was a study done and how many people took part?
How many of those interviewed admitted that they intended to break the law?
How many of those interviewed admitted that they were drug smugglers and that possible death did not influence them?

Well, firstly no studies have been done and, secondly, no one would be fool enough to take part.

The fact that some official in Indonesia says that the death penalty is no deterrent, is and can only be, his opinion about something that he cannot possibly know.

I'll ask again, would the death penalty deter you from an illegal action?
Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 3 May 2015 9:52:13 PM
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Dear Jayb,

No - I am not suggesting that drug traffickers
be released - what I am saying is that capital
punishment is not a deterrent for the drug trafficking
trade in Indonesia.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 3 May 2015 9:54:17 PM
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