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Aussie ISIS Doctor

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Conservative Hippie,
Europeans are good at war, they typically get about a hundred to one kill ratio in battle, the usual reason the Indians were attacked was in retaliation for attacks on defenceless settlers. As for the diseases we've been over this so many times, tuberculosis, syphilis, herpes, the common cold, malaria etc all existed in North America before european contact and the myth of the blankets has no basis in fact, small pox is spread via contact with infected people, through bodily fluids, sneezing etc. If the myth was that Typhus or Bubonic plague had bee spread via trade in cloth goods then It'd be worth investigating but the small pox 'germ warfare" story is a lie, plus the settlers at that time had no knowledge of how viruses and other pathogens worked, they used to hang people as witches for supposedly causing outbreaks didn't they?
There's no evidence that epidemics had a higher mortality rate among new worlders than in old worlders and the Indians were no more or less susceptible to the diseases than Europeans.

IS Mise,
I've never seen a video of ISIS soldiers raping women or parading female slaves for the cameras, I've seen pictures and film of them executing enemy soldiers, thieves,rapists, defectors etc. The stories of mass rape, slavery and so forth are hearsay at this point, on balance of probability there's bound to be some truth to them, we're dealing with Islam after all.

Re Freddie Gray, Baltimore etc, this documentary by liberal film maker Nick Broomfield gives an insight into the world of the American Negro and gives us an idea of what Police have to face on the streets of majority Black suburbs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ql8_c1laJQ
These people will protect and even assist a violent rapist and serial killer for 30 years as he picks off their friends, drug buddies etc then defend him in public when by a fluke he's caught, it's only in one on one conversations that the truth of the matter comes out.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 3:40:46 PM
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Dee Brown's book is interesting and generally fair comment to motivate students to look more closely at the 'history' of airline newsagent paperbacks and cowboy movies.

However it is a false comparison, rhetorical trickery, a fallacy, to claim that a parallel existed with indigenous treatment in Australia.

Fox,
Are you aware at all of the posts by Joe (Loudmouth) and his site, www.firstsources.info ? See here,

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=17273&page=0#305023

He has been transcribing government records from the time. You might learn from him as many others including myself have done
Posted by onthebeach, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 4:27:48 PM
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Conservative Hippie,

"The opposing sides would ride into battle on horse back with the aim of slapping the back of their opponents heads; if contacted, you were out"

That's post-contact, the American Indians didn't have any horses till well after the Spaniards brought them in.
The stories about the Indians thinking that the cavalry would just play a game are just stories and big ones at that.
Such fairy stories are demeaning to the Indian and underrate their intelligence.
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 4:27:49 PM
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love the way many judge history ignoring the fact that our people now are far more corrupt and immoral than those they are judging.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 4:33:30 PM
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OTB,
I've read "Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee" by Dee Brown cover to cover maybe three times, I don't think he mentions Indian massacres of Whites at all, or if he does it's in passing. The Wounded Knee incident was a battle which broke out in an Indian village after federal troops were fired upon and in which non combatants were killed, the battle of the Little Bighorn was a massacre, Custer was outnumbered four to one and his men were butchered and mutilated after being over run.
Dee Brown's work is biased toward the White Liberal narrative and it ignores the violence of the plains tribes toward settlers and the other tribes whose territories abutted theirs.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 5:26:32 PM
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Is Jay of Melbourne the self appointed authority on selected atrocities? I know he is a holocaust denier and now he gives us this idiotic statement - "There's no evidence that epidemics had a higher mortality rate among new worlders than in old worlders and the Indians were no more or less susceptible to the diseases than European." Millions of previously healthy people dying within a few years of first contact isn't enough evidence... what do you want?

So in other words the fact that within a couple of years of first contact in the most of the Aztecs, Incas, and other unknown tribes had virtually died off had nothing to do with exposure to newly introduced diseases. Most of the California Indians were killed off by small pox before the settlers arrived. Another coincidence that the Indians had nothing to do with receiving a widespread distribution of blankets before the die off started.

Foxy - I had read Wounded Knee; its disturbing and beautiful.

I'm dropping off this topic after this post; history is written by the winners and its seems many here are not open minded enough to entertain the possibility the survivor's historical account of the events has any validity. There's really no point to continue the discussion which is way off topic anyway (my fault for mentioning it in the first place).
Posted by ConservativeHippie, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 5:42:26 PM
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