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Posted by steve101, Friday, 24 April 2015 1:37:37 PM
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Yuyutsu, that quote appears to be from one of the privileged, wanting others to do the work he doesn't like rather than daring to compete against him.
Duties are not something we are born with, they're something we take on. Usually (but not always) actively. Posted by Aidan, Saturday, 25 April 2015 2:53:44 PM
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Dear Aidan,
That quote was from Shri Krishna, God incarnate. His friend and disciple, Arjuna, to him He spoke these words, was a warrior and the "work" He asked him to perform at the time was to fight in his line of duty and kill in this battle of Good against Evil even members of his own family, such as his beloved grandfather Bhishma, who joined the forces of evil. Arjuna at the time wanted to run away from the battle and become a mendicant monk instead, so he can escape his terrible duty to kill his grandfather, teachers, nephews and others he loved, but Shri Krishna reminded him that his duty as a warrior on the side of truth and justice was in his nature, rather than that of a mendicant monk. He then also taught him how to transcend his emotions and perform this duty without attachment to its results. As for the claim as if Krishna avoided this dirty work thus threw it on his disciple instead, later on (11:33) Shri Krishna explains that God's work of slaying those who sided with evil was in fact already completed by Him: "Therefore get up. Prepare to fight and win glory. Conquer your enemies and enjoy a flourishing kingdom. They are already put to death by My arrangement, and you, O Savyasaci, can be but an instrument in the fight." (http://vedabase.net/bg/11/33) I bow down to Lord Shri Krishna. Posted by Yuyutsu, Saturday, 25 April 2015 7:58:55 PM
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Dear Yuyutsu,
So Krishna avoided this dirty work thus threw it on his disciple instead, taught his disciple to kill without remorse, and then took credit for the result? Why do you think this bloke was God incarnate? Posted by Aidan, Sunday, 26 April 2015 5:23:19 PM
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Dear Aidan,
Few people were of the stature of Arjuna: he was well accomplished and was considered the world's best archer (apart from Karna, whom he wasn't aware was his half-brother when he killed him in that same war). Unlike Arjuna, for the ordinary person, your question could be rephrased: "why doesn't God wash our dishes and replenish our bank account?" Swami Vivekananda taught that "this world is a moral and spiritual gymnasium" (http://www.swamivivekanandaquotes.org/2014/04/this-world-is-great-gymnasium-swami-vivekananda.html), so as they say in the gym: "no pain - no gain". The greater the person - the greater the tasks assigned to him. Having already reached the peak of martial success, Arjuna's next lesson had to be to grow beyond success and failure, victory and defeat. In the Bhagavad Gita, Shri Krishna lists the different paths to God, but unlike other scriptures, concentrates on the path of action (Karma Yoga) which is more suitable for active people like Arjuna. In this path, one continues as before to perform their usual worldly duties, only with a different attitude: instead of doing them for one's own selfish goals, one dedicates them to God (in whatever form one is inspired to imagine Him - what's important is man's attitude rather than God's existence), concentrating on the actions rather than their results. In the end, ours are the actions but their results are God's only. In the words of the Gita: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9DxYVY1Lyw "Your choice is with reference to action only, but never with reference to its results. Do not consider yourself the author of the results of action, nor have attachment towards inaction." I would not expect you to believe like myself that Shri Krishna was God incarnate: the factuality of this is of little importance (though recent archaeological discoveries prove that he existed), but rather the benefits from the feelings of devotion it can inspire, which wouldn't make sense in your case without first knowing the life-story of Shri Krishna. Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 26 April 2015 9:59:24 PM
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The fact is that many well educated people are un successful in life, while many poorly, or even uneducated are successful, it's often about attitude.
While many gain inspiration from successful people, other choose the 'tall poppy' road. Attitude and the will to succeed is what matters, education often leads to finding success in different fields. I had a very moderate education but was highly inspired and wanted to succeed more than many others around me, while too many today seek a career path that accommodates their social life. For one to be successful, one should socialize in their spare time, not make spare time to socialize. Anyone on a grand a week can afford a home, they just make alternative choices. So while a good education can be important, it's not the be all end all in my view because attitude is not easily taught, especially at the likes of schools. Posted by rehctub, Monday, 27 April 2015 12:54:55 PM
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Now that woman are participating in the work force compared to the 1950s and 60s working class generation, believing in the home ownership dreams, fewer children are being born. Fewer grandchildren are being born.
Considering university educational fees, higher income earners won't expect to receive desirable incomes to start families until that late 20s and early 30s ages. They intern can afford to finance their children through university having fewer grandchildren.