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Is there a natural selection class society work force
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Posted by steve101, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 1:13:55 PM
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There is no place for comparison, because we are all born with different duties - some must work their muscles, others their brains. For one to do that which is unsuitable to their nature, feels as torture. Though exceptions exist, we are normally born in such families that are more likely to support us in fulfilling our particular purpose for this particular lifetime.
--- It is far better to discharge one's prescribed duties, even though faultily, than another's duties perfectly. Destruction in the course of performing one's own duty is better than engaging in another's duties, for to follow another's path is dangerous. --- Bhagavad Gita, 3:35 http://vedabase.net/bg/3/35/en http://www.bhagavad-gita.org/Gita/verse-03-35.html Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 2:03:13 PM
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When someone in authority states “society needs a skilled workforce” the skills often seen are truck drivers, brick layers, road makers and road maintenance workers. There are far more manual labourers having limited thinking skills needed to move stuff, drive buses, serve coffee, cook fast food, pack food store shelves, be a checkout chick. Checkout chicks only need to swipe items over a bar code reader to perform they're employment tasks... There are very few decision making and skilled professions compared to an almost nil skilled repetitive workers needed in a modern workforce.
So why are children trying very hard to get those desired grades when in most instances very little usable school learnt skills will be used? One of my theories is education is a natural selection process that successfully removes from governing authority the task of dealing out hard working employment for many people and easy pleasurable work for others. Governing authorities don't care within the working class who does the hard work and who does the easy work. If some governing authority chose who does what work, hard working employers would complain and most probably go on strike for move money. The natural selection bad education process allows poor education graded workers to believe educational grades chose they're fate. If you've seen the first episode of Futurama, Fry gets embedded with a micro circuit chip that stops Fry from performing any employment other than delivering stuff for the rest of Fry's life. Why are students with no desires for skilled professional employment being forced to try they're best for no beneficial purpose? Posted by steve101, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 2:12:29 PM
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Yes I also believe the more competent kids, or those with some help at home, get better attention from teachers, even if not intentionally.
It does have a lot of luck involved. Our eldest wanted to be taught, & was reading & writing before she went to school. The second did not like anything that looked like a lesson at home, but had the same great older teacher for his first 2 years. She chucked out the new trendy stull, used older methods, & had all her kids doing well. The third copped a young lady fairly fresh out of her DipEd, brainwashed with all the trendy BS. Very few of her class were reading after a year, & ours would not have been, if we had not stepped in at home. Good teachers are so important to whether they keep on learning. It really is great to have a son who by age 24 not only thought he knew more than his father, but in some areas actually did. Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 2:24:08 PM
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"So why are children trying very hard to get those desired grades when in most instances very little usable school learnt skills will be used?"
What's wrong with wanting a good education? Being a labourer (or not wanting to work in a corporate office) doesn't automatically mean the person is stupid or doesn't require a good education. Having abroad education and being generally knowledgeable allows a person to mingle on levels. Quite often the 'menial labourer' has more common sense than the best academic. Being smart does not equal educated. I fear there is already a dumbing down of society taking place through our Western world education systems, which used to be outstanding. Advocating "you don't need an education if you are only going to be a labourer" will hasten the dumbing down. If you need proof the dumbing down is already effecting people, just look how many think the Fast and Furious movies are entertaining. Posted by ConservativeHippie, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 3:02:12 PM
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SBS1 television PBS Newshour during 2010 to 2014 presented many presentations on USA education. With social concerns of school students poor education. In one USA district, an Asian American woman was given the task of improving the grades of poor performing students. The woman's solution was to make teachers responsible for student grades under threats of teachers losing they're employment. After a period, a number of teachers and headmasters were said to have been replaced.
What does a teacher do? I conclude, in high school aged students USA equivalent classrooms, teachers would be bullying, threatening, demanding already mentally stressed students to perform all educational department authority tasks asked of them. Teachers and headmasters getting parents to bully they're children into doing all their homework. Mentally stressed students hating education, being bullied by teachers and parents will learn to hate anything that feels like learning education in they're long working futures. The resulting example to what happens to students' personality can be seen on Dr Phil. Dr Phil shows captured video images of angry teenagers arguing with their parents, Dr Phil asking young teenagers if that behaviour needs to be corrected. School students with excellent pre-school reading skills allow teachers to be soft on they're students. Teachers knowing that their students will do well on tests. Low levelled mentally stressed students find simple memory information with less mental stress traumas attached, easy to remember, which is why I believe low stressed children easily succeed in life. High levels of mentally stressed traumatised school students hating anything that feels like learning end up as truck drivers and other similar low skilled employment. Posted by steve101, Friday, 24 April 2015 12:11:06 PM
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Education reduces population growth by delaying the first child from being born. Males and particularly females held in non-paying education delay they're first child. Usually once a woman has her first child more children are born soon after, getting the family child birthing over and done with. Woman having a financial ability to have children in they're late teens and early 20s have the ability to have more children compared to women having children in they're late 20s and early 30s. The late teens and early 20s group of women could even start a second group of children in a second and third marriage.
Now that woman are participating in the work force compared to the 1950s and 60s working class generation, believing in the home ownership dreams, fewer children are being born. Fewer grandchildren are being born. Considering university educational fees, higher income earners won't expect to receive desirable incomes to start families until that late 20s and early 30s ages. They intern can afford to finance their children through university having fewer grandchildren. Posted by steve101, Friday, 24 April 2015 1:37:37 PM
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Yuyutsu, that quote appears to be from one of the privileged, wanting others to do the work he doesn't like rather than daring to compete against him.
Duties are not something we are born with, they're something we take on. Usually (but not always) actively. Posted by Aidan, Saturday, 25 April 2015 2:53:44 PM
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Dear Aidan,
That quote was from Shri Krishna, God incarnate. His friend and disciple, Arjuna, to him He spoke these words, was a warrior and the "work" He asked him to perform at the time was to fight in his line of duty and kill in this battle of Good against Evil even members of his own family, such as his beloved grandfather Bhishma, who joined the forces of evil. Arjuna at the time wanted to run away from the battle and become a mendicant monk instead, so he can escape his terrible duty to kill his grandfather, teachers, nephews and others he loved, but Shri Krishna reminded him that his duty as a warrior on the side of truth and justice was in his nature, rather than that of a mendicant monk. He then also taught him how to transcend his emotions and perform this duty without attachment to its results. As for the claim as if Krishna avoided this dirty work thus threw it on his disciple instead, later on (11:33) Shri Krishna explains that God's work of slaying those who sided with evil was in fact already completed by Him: "Therefore get up. Prepare to fight and win glory. Conquer your enemies and enjoy a flourishing kingdom. They are already put to death by My arrangement, and you, O Savyasaci, can be but an instrument in the fight." (http://vedabase.net/bg/11/33) I bow down to Lord Shri Krishna. Posted by Yuyutsu, Saturday, 25 April 2015 7:58:55 PM
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Dear Yuyutsu,
So Krishna avoided this dirty work thus threw it on his disciple instead, taught his disciple to kill without remorse, and then took credit for the result? Why do you think this bloke was God incarnate? Posted by Aidan, Sunday, 26 April 2015 5:23:19 PM
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Dear Aidan,
Few people were of the stature of Arjuna: he was well accomplished and was considered the world's best archer (apart from Karna, whom he wasn't aware was his half-brother when he killed him in that same war). Unlike Arjuna, for the ordinary person, your question could be rephrased: "why doesn't God wash our dishes and replenish our bank account?" Swami Vivekananda taught that "this world is a moral and spiritual gymnasium" (http://www.swamivivekanandaquotes.org/2014/04/this-world-is-great-gymnasium-swami-vivekananda.html), so as they say in the gym: "no pain - no gain". The greater the person - the greater the tasks assigned to him. Having already reached the peak of martial success, Arjuna's next lesson had to be to grow beyond success and failure, victory and defeat. In the Bhagavad Gita, Shri Krishna lists the different paths to God, but unlike other scriptures, concentrates on the path of action (Karma Yoga) which is more suitable for active people like Arjuna. In this path, one continues as before to perform their usual worldly duties, only with a different attitude: instead of doing them for one's own selfish goals, one dedicates them to God (in whatever form one is inspired to imagine Him - what's important is man's attitude rather than God's existence), concentrating on the actions rather than their results. In the end, ours are the actions but their results are God's only. In the words of the Gita: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9DxYVY1Lyw "Your choice is with reference to action only, but never with reference to its results. Do not consider yourself the author of the results of action, nor have attachment towards inaction." I would not expect you to believe like myself that Shri Krishna was God incarnate: the factuality of this is of little importance (though recent archaeological discoveries prove that he existed), but rather the benefits from the feelings of devotion it can inspire, which wouldn't make sense in your case without first knowing the life-story of Shri Krishna. Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 26 April 2015 9:59:24 PM
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The fact is that many well educated people are un successful in life, while many poorly, or even uneducated are successful, it's often about attitude.
While many gain inspiration from successful people, other choose the 'tall poppy' road. Attitude and the will to succeed is what matters, education often leads to finding success in different fields. I had a very moderate education but was highly inspired and wanted to succeed more than many others around me, while too many today seek a career path that accommodates their social life. For one to be successful, one should socialize in their spare time, not make spare time to socialize. Anyone on a grand a week can afford a home, they just make alternative choices. So while a good education can be important, it's not the be all end all in my view because attitude is not easily taught, especially at the likes of schools. Posted by rehctub, Monday, 27 April 2015 12:54:55 PM
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It can easily become a very generalised argument when discussing natural selection in the workforce and social reproduction. There is a much larger grey area to consider with an issue this complicated.
Statistics will only give you an idea of one side of the issue that someone has already considered enough to research. People from every social class vary in terms of commitment to education and personal growth. Someone from a stable socio-economic background will obviously have the advantage of better opportunities and access to private education but may lack support in terms of family structure or social skills. Then again the lack of these structures could be considered an advantage in terms of resilience and self-motivation. As a consultant dealing with peoples education and careers I have encountered people from all backgrounds with varying issues holding them back. With access to public education and government loan schemes to higher education I've helped countless young people find suitable pathways to the new study and job opportunities. One thing we have found is the correlation between parents working and studying and children's motivational levels. This seems to be a simple issue of positive influence and attitudes towards higher education and vocational training. There is always a way to follow your passion to success if you have the mental focus and motivation to push through the obstacles that may stand in your way. There are several agencies that can provide guidance free of affiliations with ineffective job-providers. If your looking for guidance you can always contact the Study Network (http://bit.ly/1OSGilI) to get information on training and study-pathways that can help with career opportunities. Access to free careers services are becoming more available every year and access to more online resources like like yourcareersguide (http://bit.ly/1dcR6dV) and online training will only make opportunities broader. Posted by Tony224, Monday, 18 May 2015 12:22:23 PM
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You can read and hear media programs on how if parents teach their children to read before their children first attend school, children are often more successful, achieving higher grades than parents whom allow schools to completely educate their children.
Parents from a working class background doing exhausting work, needing few reading skills that are often too tied, have poor language skills, feel their education was pointless, could be less likely to teach they're children how to read before their children first attend school.
Parents: having achieved professional degrees; being in middle management government or corporate skilful employment, would value they're education that put them in such valued employment.
Children of hard working parents will end in similar employment while parents realising children need to read proficiently before their children first attending school, such fortunate children will often succeed to obtain desired employment.
Is there a natural selection class society work force?