'morning Aussieboy,

Yes, you are partly right. It is what the industry can make out of you. That is why Mark Scott of the ABC gets paid twice the wages of the PM, why Gilian Triggs gets paid more than a fireman and why an EU Soccer League star gets paid $1.25m a week.

Their employers pay on both "perceived" value and the actual revenue boost they can achieve. The rest is down to "they get paid what they get because they can".

Why, as a spender of our national wealth, does our Human Rights Commissioner, get paid more than a fireman? That answer is up to you to work out and when you can answer that, can you let me know?

Lol thxs spindoc
one thing is clearer thanks to your explanations is why an unregulated free labour market wont work with the current setup
To many deals being done by the big boys.I think if they where selling a product the consumer competition commission would be busy

cya later
AB

Aussieboy, a fair days pay for a fair days work should also mean a fair days work for a fair days pay, but in reality that doesn't apply in many cases and once the unions step in to protect the poor class worker, these poor class workers lower the bar.
t the end of the day a fair wage is one that provides a fair return for the employer.

I note you have not responded to my example of how ridiculous IR laws can cripple an industry. But that's exactly what can happen when people with no idea get to call the shots.

Politicians should stay out of peoples arrangements.

Sorry rehctub
But i really didn't think it relevant I already know your union views
but i'll ask you where would we be without union's
Seriously
We would still be no more then slaves
So yes you can Point at one or ten wrongs but they are heavily outweighed be the good unions have done. Not only in this country but around the world.
Yes and guess what they have problems and make mistakes , They are run by Humans.
This was Just to answer your question and express my views I don't mean it as any sort personal attack I do understand your views.
But I would base the problem broader then You are, All our Officers of Power of any Sort Seem to have same Rotten core.
This is the problem I see.
AB

There is nothing wrong with unions: let those who want to use their services do so, but don't compel those who are not interested.

Who is there anyway to label one person an "employer", the other "employee"? Two people make a deal between them and that should be the end of the story. Whether this deal involves work of a kind and whether one or both used another organisation, such as a union or a company, to arrange and secure that deal, is their private matter.

As for the fact that "We would still be no more then slaves", isn't this the case nowadays for most, with or without unions?

We tend to be slaves because of our desires. So many for example are slaves due to mortgages: had they not desired to live in big houses close to central city-facilities, had they been willing to live in a tent or a caravan instead, or with their parents or extended family, then they wouldn't have had to slave away for some boss, then they could negotiate better conditions because they wouldn't be afraid to "lose" their bad job - and obtain far better deals than any union could provide.

Once one has kids, then truly they are likely to remain slaves for the rest of their lives - but that's too a result of their sexual desires.

Dear Aussieboy: how can we say "All our Officers of Power of any Sort Seem to have same Rotten core" when the rotten people in question are anything but "our"? I didn't appoint them, nor (I assume) did you or Rehctub - they appoint themselves to leech on us and frustrate our lives. Now would you support the ability of those leeches to dictate to you and me what contracts we may or may not make between us?

<<at the end of the day a fair wage is one that provides a fair return for the employer>>

Butch for you, that is the crux of the matter, and who should determine what is fair for the employer. The employer of course! You must lament the good old days of the 19th century, before those dark days of organised labour with their union representation, collective bargaining and industrial courts with their ridiculous impartial determinations, awarding a living wage etc, shocking is it not!

A fair days work for a fair days pay, as determined by the employer no less and those wonderful forces of the free market. The employee naturally would be reduced to a 'begging bowl' mentality.

If you were to believe some, poor old small business is on its knees, the poor buggers are struggling to make ends meet, existing on bread and dripping, no less. I've been hearing this clap trap for the past 50 years, yet they are still in business, still doing very well and on average doing substantially better than the average worker.