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Posted by Robert LePage, Friday, 6 March 2015 9:42:20 AM
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What could Putin gain from the murder of
Boris Nemtsov? According to "The Age" newspaper Boris Nemtsov was planning a report on Russian soldiers in the Ukraine entitled "Putin and the War." The release of which could have had undesirable results. Also the murder eliminated one opponent of the Russian President and it will terrorise an entire class of dissidents who will think twice about speaking out against Putin and the current regime in Russia. Let us not forget the same thing happened with the murder of investigative journalist and Putin critic Anna Politovskaya in 2006. The Kremlin involvement in her killing was of course never proven however the number of brave, outspoken investigative journalists in Russia dropped drastically to only a handful after her death. http://www.theage.com.au/world/scribbled-note-shows-boris-nemtsov-was-plaiing-report-on-russian-soldiers-in-ukraine-20150306-13wm6k.html Posted by Foxy, Friday, 6 March 2015 3:38:34 PM
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I suggest that anyone who believes in the anti- Putin twaddle should google "Gladio".
And apparently the Chechnya's who do not have a great regard for Russia could have had a finger in this pie. Posted by Robert LePage, Friday, 6 March 2015 5:07:28 PM
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Dear Robert,
Anybody could have done it. Including the rich Russian oligarchs who have stashes of money in Western Banks. Nemtsov was interested in having sanctions placed on their holdings (especially on those making money out of human rights abuses). John Pilger would probably blame the US or the Zionists. ;-) Posted by Foxy, Friday, 6 March 2015 5:27:16 PM
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The Boris Nemtsov Assassination: Russia’s “Non-system” Opposition Refuses to Blame the Kremlin
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-boris-nemtsov-assassination-russias-non-system-opposition-refuses-to-blame-the-kremlin/5434206 March 01, 2015 The bottom line is that in Russia this false flag is already a clear failure, not even the notorious Russian “liberal” or “democratic” “non-system” opposition wants to touch this thing. This is very good news indeed. In the West, of course, this is a different story, the AngloZionist will use that to a max, no doubt here at all. Posted by Robert LePage, Saturday, 7 March 2015 9:40:27 AM
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Pretty much all the genuine Russian opposition figures are in jail already, the Putin government doesn't whack it's opponents it jails them.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Sunday, 8 March 2015 7:06:05 PM
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Robert LePage,
You only need to use common sense, and ask cui prodest, to see that this theatrically carried out assassination (with the Kremlin acting as an impressive coulisse) could not be something Putin would expect to profit from. He certainly has other, less conspicuous, ways of getting rid of dangerous opponents. With Putin’s approval rating at 86% and Nemtsov’s at 5-8% this was hardly the case. No question that since the Kiev Maidan coup d’etat the atmosphere in Russia is poisoned. Nationalism - that Putin is riding but might not be able to control - is on the rise out of fear of Russia going the way of Afghanistan, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Syria or Ukraine, and anything can happen. No need to involve “AngloZionists” or some other conspiracy theory. Posted by George, Monday, 9 March 2015 9:26:58 AM
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Foxy is right, it could have been anybody.
There is chaos in Russia at present. Robert said: Against all odds, Putin has so far brought Russia from the brink of utter poverty, disintegration, and disaster. Actually Russia is on the brink of economic and or financial collapse. Their currency has fallen dramatically and their only hope is from gas sales to China through recently completed gas lines and an oil price recovery. Europe is diverting its gas & oil purchases as fast as possible. Russia is in very serious trouble. Unemployment figures do not seem to be reliable from what I have read. Posted by Bazz, Monday, 9 March 2015 10:26:04 AM
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Oh yes there is, George. You watch too much propaganda (Commie tactic) on the mainstream channels. All our media is controlled and there is no such thing as independent journalism otherwise they're sacked. All is censored.
Robert, I'm with you. The Freemason, Illuminati aka Anglo/ Zionists planning the New World Order is behind everything. Rothchild lizards. These monied terrorists are in control. They have planned just about all the wars and assassinations throughout history. And inventors of all the lies. "Do we have free press? John Swinton, former Chief of Staff for the New York Times, didn’t think so in 1953. In a toast at the New York Press Club he said: “There is no such thing in America as an independent press. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions. If I allow them to appear in my paper, before 24 hrs my occupation would be gone. The business of the journalist is to destroy truth – lie outright, pervert, vilify, fawn at the feet of mammon, and sell his country and his race for his daily bread. We are tools and vassals for rich men –behind the scenes….We are intellectual prostitutes.” http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/jun/02/mammons-kingdom-essay-britain-now-review-david-marquand-cry-of-despair Haven't you noticed every aspect of our lives are headed for a Police State/totalitarian communism. The MASTERS OF DECEPTION. Have you not noticed life is getting harder and harder in all directions. Wake up George. Have you ever tried looking closely at these conspiracy theories? As you are a Catholic, I recommend this magazine which is not called "Crisis" for nothing. http://www.crisismagazine.com/2012/the-liberal-arts-dawsons-prerequisite-for-the-reconstruction-of-christendom And these masters are not viriulently at war with the CC and the Orthodox Churches for nothing. As they have been for centuries past. Posted by Constance, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 9:11:10 PM
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Constance,
All I was saying was that one could get to the same conclusion as Robert, including the false flag possibility, without invoking AngloZionists. I think he understood. As for the rest, you apparently had a very bad experience with Communists. So have I (I escaped them in 1968), so I understand your feelings about them. Thanks for the links, I never heard about Swinton or Dawson, although the latter seems to be a contemporary - including his views - of Jacques Maritain whose writings I grew up with since there, behind the Iron Curtain, we had no access to more contemporary Catholic literature. I follow more or less regularly http://www.crisismagazine.com/, as well as http://www.lifesitenes.com and http://www.churchmilitant.tv/platform/?vidID=vort-2015-03-09 run by Michael Voris, (the American bull in the Catholic china shop) and I wrote something about them (not in English). The main difference between their take of Catholicism and mine is that I am an enthusiast of Pope Francis and they are not, at least not of what he has beein doing and saying. Speaking of conspiracy theories, “where do you hide a leaf?” asks Chesterton’s Father Brown. “In a forest full of leaves.” “And if there si no forest on hand?” “Create one”. So how do you debunk a conspiracy theory coming dangerously close to truth? By creating a number of more absurd variations of the original one so that it will make people reject them all, including the original, dangerous one. My opinion is that many conspiracy theories are false flag theories. Posted by George, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 12:13:20 AM
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Dearest Foxy,
It might help to think of Russia as a State Mafia, with senior oligarchs jostling for power under Putin, and with subsidiary Statelets like Chechnya under his hand-picked Mafia boss Kadyrov available to carry out hits on demand. I suspect that we are a long way from the truth yet (how could it be otherwise in Russia ?) but my best bets are either: * some of the oligarchs are getting restless under Putin, worried about his aggressions in Ukraine and the rapid decline in the economy, and general destabilisation as a result of his policies - and restless enough to consider toppling him, so they organise some Chechen crims to knock Nemtsov off and blame it on Putin. A bit too crude ? Yeah, maybe, and there's no real evidence for it yet. But who knows ? OR * Putin obviously wanted Nemtsov out of the way - who will rid me of this turbulent priest ? - so had all the security cameras around the Kremlin turned off while organising Kadyrov to send in a hit squad - car with Chechen plates, Chechens arrested not in Chechnya but in Ingushetia. God knows, there must be so many factions and feuds and pissed-off ethnic groups, especially Moslem ones like Kazakhstan, that anything's possible. I must watch that last episode from The Sopranos again ...... Love, Joe Posted by Loudmouth, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 12:55:11 PM
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It is interesting reading all the valid points
that everyone has raised. I must admit that my knowledge of the former Soviet Union is very limited and probably dated by what's happening there today. I don't think that I would be a good judge, even though I do have opinions - they may not be relevant though in today's Russian climate. I respect George's views - as he's actually lived in the Soviet bloc. I respect the amount of research that Constance brings to her posts. I respect Robert's views and those of Bazz, as well as dear Joe's (Loudmouth). My views are you might say - "Old fashioned." based on the belief that communist leaders believe in the interest, control, and domination of the state over the individual. Therefore I feel that somehow or other - either Putin or someone working for him would probably have gotten rid of the problem that Borins Nemtsov presented. But then, as I stated earlier, what do I really know. Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 1:35:42 PM
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George,
So what’s your take then. You site what you read but your only opinion is that conspiracy theories are false. That’s not saying anything – you’re just writing it off without a reason. We are experiencing Communism and the unholy alliance of uber Capitalism now. I guess you are pretty well set up in your retirement and may not have noticed the high cost of living, lack of housing and unaffordability for Mr Average as Australia has the most expensive real estate in the world. So you think a NEW WORLD ORDER is fallacy? You have no problem with mass immigration. And that Australia has the fastest growing population in the developed world and even growing faster than a country like Indonesia. You have no qualms about the Post Christian World and all our consequential divisions in society? Globalisation is just the start. So you don’t think things are going down hill? You haven’t acknowledged the Guardian article? So you don’t think the Catholic Church has any enemies? You did not respond to this. You have no problem with the protests occurring in Germany where you live? Is not political correctness originally a Communist term? Are you aware that USURY was once sinful in the CC? Now debt is encouraged instead of saving. Do not you wonder? Are you aware that the Communists colluded with the Freemasons causing the Mexican, French and Spanish Civil wars? Are you aware of the minority group who dominated Communism in Russia killing off monarchies and up to 140million people. And who were the Commissars? Are you aware of the same minority group invading Poland and causing the Katyn Massacre. Even the American Civil War and who were the ongoing profiteers of these war? Cannot you see a bit of a pattern occurring here? Have you ever worked for the Dept of Immigration? I do, and it’s corrupt. Are you aware of the British motto “DIVIDE AND CONQUER”? Posted by Constance, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 9:50:10 PM
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Before citizens jump on that political war machine that promotes continual conflict, we must evaluate and scrutinize the sources of our perceptions – is it orchestrated opposition propaganda or real information?
• Rothschild’s Handbook For Banker’s World Control. • http://politicalvelcraft.org/2012/11/26/rothschilds-handbook-for-bankers-world-control/ • Obama Martyrdom Drawing Near? NWO Modus Is Replete With Such Subliminal Forewarnings. • The Rothschild Government: WANTS Chaos And Panic, Get It? Emergency Preparedness Is YOUR Responsibility! • Abduction Of America ~ Held Captive By Big Pharma & NWO Mass Media: Patty Hearst Stockholm Syndrom Revisited! Meyer Amschel Rothschild (1744-1812) played a key role in advancing this monstrous conspiracy. He was a follower of the occult Cabbalism (or Lucifer worship) that is the basis of Illuminism and Freemasonry. (See Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry.) NWO Battle Planner ~ Albert Pike “We are the Fathers of all Revolutions-even of those which sometimes happen to turn against us. We are the supreme Masters of Peace and War. We can boast of being the creators of the REFORMATION! Calvin was one of our Children; he was of Jewish descent, and was trusted by Jewish authority and encouraged with Jewish finance to draft his scheme in the Reformation.” Albert Pike and Freemasonary http://www.threeworldwars.com/dogma.htm http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/morals_dogma/apike.htm Cont....... Posted by Constance, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 9:53:16 PM
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Dear Constance,
I honestly tried to respond to your post. You obviously did not understand it but you claim to know what I think, know or don't know, better than I. Nevertheless, thanks for the links. I agree with much of what you wrote and wish the problems were as straightforward as you paint them. Unfortunately, the world is more complicated than that, although you are right that there are Russian as well as American “oligarchs” riding the respective political systems, however very differently for different historical and cultural reasons. Putin is not religious (neither was Constantine, who “legalised” Christianity, a Christian) but Christianity, albeit its Orthodox version, experienced under him a “resurrection” after 70+ years of Communist oppression. Some Western Christians appreciate this fact, some don’t. Please let us leave it at that. (By the way, the US and NATO are conducting military exercises in the Black Sea providing Putin with an after the fact “justification” for grabbing Crimea with Russia’s only military access to the Black Sea. How do you think America would react if China and Russia were to conduct military maneuvers in the Gulf of Mexico?) Posted by George, Thursday, 12 March 2015 10:25:22 AM
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Hi George,
The Gulf of Mexico is, for most of its extent, more or less American. The Black Sea is shared by many countries, and from memory of my old school atlas, Russia borders on it only slightly, and shares it with Turkey, Georgia (for the time being), Ukraine, Rumania, Moldova and Bulgaria. I hope this is useful. Joe Posted by Loudmouth, Thursday, 12 March 2015 3:10:11 PM
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I realise there will be no intelligent discussion with Mr Nice Neutral afraid to offend anyone, but still does nonetheless implicitly. I guess the PC (mind control) has stuck since your time under Communist control.
You mention false flags? But still fall for the false flags of the ho hum poor innocent victims of the Kosher shop in Paris. CHARLIE HEBDO AND JEWISH HYPOCRISY There isn’t a single mainstream cartoonist in Western Europe including the communists at Charlie Hebdo which has been labelled an “equal opportunity offender” that is, willing to mock Jews. In fact C H fired one of its own cartoonists for “anti-Semitism”, who was also taken to court and charged with “inciting racial hatred”. Otherwise for doing so would instantly and permanently destroy their career. To see how true that is, consider the fact that C H – the “equal opportunity” offenders and defenders of all types of offensive speech – fired one of their writers in 2009 for writing a sentence some said was anti-Semitic (the writer was then charged with a hate crime offense, and won a judgement against the magazine for unfair termination). Does that sound like “equal opportunity” offending?” CNN fires Jim Clancy after 34yrs after tweeting row with Jew activists (site “israellycool.com) inclu Oren Kessler of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. FDD is a neocon propaganda organisation funded by Zionists. CNN president Jeff Zucker (a fellow Zionist) promptly fired Clancy after complaint by FDD. Rick Sanchez also sacked by CNN by saying that there were a lot of people at CNN a lot like Jon Stewart (ie Jewish). Our Age of Hypnosis. You know the Jews invented modern Psychology. See Fraud juggernaut. Cont..... Posted by Constance, Thursday, 12 March 2015 9:02:53 PM
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Yes, George, the intimidation by the world's biggest bullies - Zionist NEOCONS and ISRUSA:
“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.” - Henry Ford http://www.odessatalk.com/2011/07/ukraine-must-stop-foreign-borrowing-azarov%E2%80%8F/ Putin is a Christian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=is%20vladimir%20putin%20a%20christian http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/19162-putin-defender-of-christian-faith-and-morality You seem to have oddly misunderstood where I’m coming from. And there is not much to understand about you when your real opinions aren’t expressed. The USA’s NeoCons are Zionists. The Congress are Zionists. And the Russians and Iranians are the innocents. Agree! http://www.carolmoore.net/nuclearwar/israelithreats.html Originally a strategy of last resort retaliation - even if it means Israel’s annihilation - it has developed into being a nuclear bullying strategy to further Israel’s territorial goals through threats and blackmail. Israel has bullied not only Arab and Muslim nations, but the United States and Russia with its Samson Option threats. Mordechai Vanunu has alleged that Israel uses for purposes of blackmail its ability to "bombard any city all over the world, and not only those in Europe but also those in the United States." http://ziowiki.com/israels-samson-option-the-real-nuclear-threat/ Gilad Atzmon - Hour 1 - Zionist Pressure Groups & Jewish Identity Politics http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2015/03/RIR-150306.php BACK TO THE ANGLO/ZIONISTS. Some examples: Partition in India,Sudan, Irish Holocaust (still not recognised and the potato famine is BS) and the creation of Israel for the False Jews (likely to be Khazars). How many deaths were there? And the Armenian Holocaust, but what is the only Holocaust we constantly hear about? You guessed it. Chris Fogarty - The Irish Holocaust http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2015/02/RIR-150216.php I’m still waiting for the BBC to show a documentary about the truth about what they did to Ireland (over 40% annihilated). I’m dreaming. Shlomo Sand: http://inventionofthejewishpeople.com/ 'Jews a Race' Genetic Theory Comes Under Fierce Attack by DNA Expert Israeli Scientist Challenges Hypothesis of Middle East Origins Read more: http://forward.com/articles/175912/jews-a-race-genetic-theory-comes-under-fierce-atta/?p=all#ixzz3TybUJbvy Posted by Constance, Thursday, 12 March 2015 9:07:27 PM
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Hi Joe (Loudmouth),
You are right, my fault. When making comparisons it is usually the Caribbean, not the The Gulf of Mexico that is being mentioned even whan only implicitly. See e. g. “Imagine the outrage in Washington if China built an impressive military alliance and tried to include Canada and Mexico in it” in http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/141769/john-j-mearsheimer/why-the-ukraine-crisis-is-the-wests-fault. Posted by George, Thursday, 12 March 2015 9:55:58 PM
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Hi George,
Yes, the politics of the Black Sea are probably far more complex than those of the Gulf of Mexico, with a number of treaties governing whose ships can enter it, for what purpose and for how long, and over access to the Danube as an international waterway. So who killed Boris Nemtsov ? The problem with a State Mafia is that sooner or later, you have to run a State, to actually develop its economy, and not just pillage and divide up the spoils amongst all the competing Mafia families. Who would invest in Russian firms (or whole economic sectors) if you suspect that most of your investment will end up in oligarchs' bank accounts ? Their companies pillage what they can, mainly in the raw materials sector, mainly oil and gas, but who is going to put money into manufacturing etc. ? So the Mafia starts squabbling amongst itself to hang onto their 'territories' and, for insurance purposes, try to grab those of their neighbours. No honour among thieves. So did Putin order the murder of Nemtsov ? Maybe not. Did he connive at his mate Kadyrov's murder of Nemtsov ? Would one of the other Mafia gangs, the FSB, have done it to implicate Putin ? And where is Putin, Macho Man ? So it all unravels. Wouldn't be dead for quids ! Joe Posted by Loudmouth, Monday, 16 March 2015 6:18:22 AM
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In fact, the real Jews are Christians (& ex Christians) who have been continually persecuted throughout the ages, and still are. Curiously, hardly reaches the Zionist controlled mainstream extreme corporate media. Funny that, but it’s not funny at all. Conducted by the MASTERS OF DECEPTION.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ZION CRIME FACTORY site recently suspended. Who are the censors of the internet? http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/08/a-terrible-disease-of-the-mind/ Netanyahu: He Came, He Saw, He Conquered The Power of Israel over the United States by James Petras / March 9th, 2015 http://dissidentvoice.org/2015/03/netanyahu-he-came-he-saw-he-conquered/ The Age of Acquiescence: The Life and Death of American Resistance to Organized Wealth and Power http://www.powells.com/biblio/0316185434?p_isbn&PID=36683 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Levin “Levin told an interviewer that he wrote The Oslo Syndrome to explain "why Israel's leaders, supported by the nation's academic and cultural elites and much of the broader population, were pursuing a course that was demonstrably placing the nation, including their own families, at dire risk." “His thesis was on "Sigmund Freud's Early Studies of the Neuroses, 1886-1905." http://www.oslosyndrome.com This one’s for Joe Lane (Loudmouth) and his non-fluff. The Cunning of Reason in Hegel and Marx Hegel's answer to this question is contained in his doctrine of the Cunning of Reason. Briefly, he holds that history fulfills its ulterior rational designs in an indirect and sly manner. It does so by calling into play the irrational element in human nature, the passions. So Hegel writes: “Two elements, therefore, enter into our investigation: first, the Idea, secondly, the complex of human passions; the one the warp, the other the woof of the vast tapestry of world history.” By “passion” he means those all-consuming emotions of the individual person which are self-regarding in nature. In discussing the question, he writes: “I mean here nothing more than human activity resulting from private interest, from special or, if you will, self-seeking designs—with this qualification: that the whole energy of will and character is devoted to the attainment of one aim and that other interests or possible aims, indeed everything else, is sacrificed to this aim.” http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=5294120 http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=19094081&pageid=r&_charset_=UTF-8&bcd=%C3%B7&scs=1&query=Marx&Find=Search&mode=ALL "Racist" - A Word Invented by USSR�s Leon Trotsky(Jew) http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=29984 Cont.... Posted by Constance, Monday, 16 March 2015 10:32:25 PM
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Nicholas Kollerstrom - Breaking the Spell, The Holocaust Myth and Reality
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2015/02/RIR-150225.php I came across some Rabbi in the 1930/40’s talking about number crunching the 6 million – all pre planned. I have so much info (getting out of hand) and can’t find it at moment. http://johnpilger.com/articles/why-the-rise-of-fascism-is-again-the-issue The Matrix movie is the theology of Judaism (see David Singer “Netanyahu” recent posts) http://antimatrix.org/Convert/Books/Rabbi_Abe_Finkelstein_Interview/Rabbi_Abe_Finkelstein_Interview.html#you_wont_believe_it Avodah Zarah (destroy all foreign worship) Talmud Commandment (Mitzvah) http://www.aish.com/jl/jnj/jm/48882637.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tikkun_olam Balaam: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02214b.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balaam#Prophecies Posted by Constance, Monday, 16 March 2015 10:34:08 PM
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28.02.2015 By Moti Nissani
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/28-02-2015/129934-boris_nemtsov_murdered-0/
A few hours ago, on the evening of February 27, 2015, Boris Nemtsov (1959-2015), former deputy prime minister of the Russian Federation and a leader of the Russian opposition, was murdered, some 200 meters away from the Kremlin. According to a CIA-sponsored publication that lost no time in updating its Nemtsov’s biography, he had been “an outspoken critic of Vladimir Putin.”
Was President Vladimir Putin behind this murder, or was it someone else?
To begin with, everyone agrees that Putin is a brilliant strategist and politician. Against all odds, Putin has so far brought Russia from the brink of utter poverty, disintegration, and disaster. One has just to watch him improvising a press conference, calmly, competently, and tirelessly, to realize that one is dealing here with a real, almost forgotten, specimen of a lost art: superb statesmanship.
So, we need to ask ourselves: What could Putin gain from the killing of Nemtsov?