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Derryn Hinch, as part of an interview, said he was not concerned about the two Australian drug smugglers in Indonesia. He gave a "double standard" response to their killing in my view.

You can hear his "double standard" views at: http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/video/id-R2eGNyczo8DCsG4ogPdvQQQIvCp6aiM8#itm=adv%7Chome%7Ccontent-2%3Anarrow-heading%3Ashowcase-video%7C3%7Cheading%7Chomepage%7Chomepage&itmt=1425555972952

He says: "your'e either against it (sounds like) 'impidly' (entirely) for everything or your'e not." (Re killing) - referring to a country and its laws. Another "double standard".

I say "double standard" being vegetarian. Derryn, animals are being killed, daily for 'human consumption' suffering extreme violence - when they don't have to. Are you Darryn, against killing (entirely) in terms of the laws of a country, or are you against killing in principle?

I believe no killing = no violence. Maybe it's time to be a bit more respectful Darryn and not kill these people? No more "double standards" please.
Posted by NathanJ, Thursday, 5 March 2015 10:52:52 PM
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Dear Nathan,

Not only is there a double standard - there are in fact multiple standards.

In the highest standard (which I do not follow), you don't hurt a fly, not even a mosquito or a snake which are about to bite you.

Which standard to follow is personal and much depends upon one's level of spiritual progress. Being vegetarian for example, which I too am, is not for everyone, though I would expect almost everyone to avoid killing animals for fun.

One should therefore differentiate between what one does in person, according to one's own standard versus what others do according to their own standards. Certainly you and I would refuse, even on threats of being killed ourselves, to participate in Indonesia's firing squads, but that doesn't make those who do participate wrong - only different.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 6 March 2015 1:49:57 AM
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Nathan, you may interested to learn Hitler was a vegetarian and the Dali Lama eats meat.

You cannot judge anyone by what they eat or expect the world's population to follow one way. Your choices are for your personal life journey, others have a different path. All roads lead to Nirvana (some just take longer to arrive).
Posted by ConservativeHippie, Friday, 6 March 2015 7:44:05 AM
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I am opposed to the death penalty, and find Indonesia's actions both barbaric and inhumane.
The stance taken by Tony Abbott and Julie Bishop, both personally and at a governmental level, in relation to the pending executions of Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran along with several others is deserving of praise.
Derryn Hinch, the human headline, with his usual pitch to the bottom feeders in society is worthy of our strongest condemnation.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 6 March 2015 10:47:38 AM
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G'day there PAUL1405...

In principle I couldn't agree with you more on either of your views. Mr HINCH does try to generate a headline or two, purely to enliven his fading media image I suspect ? His only stance that I support unconditionally is his strong views on crimes against children.

I accept Indonesia does have the sovereign right to render any punishment for crimes against their statutes, by however mean's they wish. It doesn't mean we have to agree with them, notwithstanding how bad these two drug runners are. Why not lock 'em up indefinitely, that would send a very strong message to other potential drug runners. Life without any possibility of parole - in an Indonesian 'gaol'? Emmmm?
Posted by o sung wu, Friday, 6 March 2015 11:23:24 AM
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ConservativeHippie,

The vegetarian argument re Adolf Hitler was nothing more than propaganda campaign put up by his direct associates (at the time) of his rule, to improve his perception and image, in terms of Mr Hitler being a strong leader, and as a promoter of peace.

He did eat vegetables at times, just like a lot of other people did, and do now. He still ate non-vegetarian foods, on a regular basis such as Bavarian sausages, ham, liver,game and other meat products. He was therefore not vegetarian (in principle) - and ate some vegetarian foods for health reasons - later in life.

Adolf Hitler did not believe it was wrong to kill animals and look at he had done to the human species - in terms of animals - this was not positive - and that is an understatement.

In the Derryn Hinch interview, Darryn is asked if he would agree with the proposed (killing in Indonesia) and if it was to be put onto one of his children - he directly didn't answer the question - a "double standard" in terms of of human life.
Posted by NathanJ, Friday, 6 March 2015 11:25:58 AM
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