Well we've had another cyclone, & this time the Bureau of Meteorology got their landfall timing right, but was telling huge porkies about it's strength.

When it passed over Middle Percy, 70 miles off MacKay, the BOM were reporting it as a Cat 5. Middle Percy island belonging to a mate, he registered one gust of 198 Km/h, & 1079 Mb, making it a low middle cat 3. This was confirmed by the readings from Pine Island light, 3 miles off Percy, which registered similar readings.

From the damage at Yeppoon this thing was under cat 2 when it passed there, & the BOM were still claiming cat4 at that time.

Just how stupid do these people think we are. Surely they realise many people have the capacity to record these things today. They must just not care that many know they are lying in their teeth with this rubbish. Another friend in Yeppoon registered one gust of 156Km/H, with constant readings of 60/70 Km/H.

I can only assume they want to add to the bulldust that cyclones are getting stronger due to the paused global warming. I really would love to know what is in it for them, spreading false information every time there is another cyclone.

Hasbeen,

"I can only assume they want to add to the bulldust that cyclones are getting stronger due to the paused global warming. I really would love to know what is in it for them...."

You've got an uncanny knack lately for coining the right thread title - this one "Telling lies again" is most appropriate for one of the stars of climate change denial movement, Willie Soon, who's been sprung nicely according to this article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/22/us/ties-to-corporate-cash-for-climate-change-researcher-Wei-Hock-Soon.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1

"For years, politicians wanting to block legislation on climate change have bolstered their arguments by pointing to the work of a handful of scientists who claim that greenhouse gases pose little risk to humanity.

One of the names they invoke most often is Wei-Hock Soon, known as Willie, a scientist at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics who claims that variations in the sun’s energy can largely explain recent global warming. He has often appeared on conservative news programs, testified before Congress and in state capitals, and starred at conferences of people who deny the risks of global warming.

But newly released documents show the extent to which Dr. Soon’s work has been tied to funding he received from corporate interests.

He has accepted more than $1.2 million in money from the fossil-fuel industry over the last decade while failing to disclose that conflict of interest in most of his scientific papers. At least 11 papers he has published since 2008 omitted such a disclosure, and in at least eight of those cases, he appears to have violated ethical guidelines of the journals that published his work.

The documents show that Dr. Soon, in correspondence with his corporate funders, described many of his scientific papers as “deliverables” that he completed in exchange for their money. He used the same term to describe testimony he prepared for Congress."

Just what the hell Poirot, does your post have to do with the weather bureau telling straight out lies about the strength of this cyclone.

The details are showing up all over the place, & many have recorded the actual wind strengths, before they disappear from the official sites.

Do wake up a little lady, do you want to be a sucker all your life.

Hasbeen,

Well, little man, I merely reacted to your latest attempt to paint climate scientists as frauds.

Just pointed out a little dodgy goings on the denialist camp - to even things up a bit.

Cheers....

Hasbeen, I doubt all these 'friends' of yours have the sophisticated weather equipment that the BOM have in their arsenal.

I really don't care what all your old mates think constitutes what category of cyclone has hit Queensland, I would sooner listen to the experts....including the far more numerous scientists who study climate change.

Sure, the BOM gets their predictions wrong on occasions, but still are well worth listening to.
I can just hear you and your mates ranting and raving if the bureau called it a category 2 cyclone, and it roared through your towns as a category 4 instead.
You guys are never happy!

Abbott is talking up terrorism and Hasbeen is talking down a cyclone. They would make a good pair.

It is modern day Oz, Hasbeen and what you are objecting to quite rightly is the Nanny State.

Once the BOM used to be conservative in its warnings so as not to cause alarm, which is not something any responsible organisation would want to do. However the highly dependent, frightened public, made so by the incessant alarmism on all manner of things by people who should know better and a tabloid media out for sensationalism, would be in a pink fit if there was (say) some rattling of the windows during a thunderstorm despite the fact that any weather event can have localised effects.

To top it off, I am sure the BOM also has to consider the possible weather damage effects on poorly constructed and under-maintained buildings.

So out of the range of possibilities the BOM is forced to upgrade its warnings to the highest of the possibilities to protect itself from the complaints of the serially upset and hysterical who can no longer think for themselves.

Don't be silly Poirot, there have been others pointing out that the
BOMs rating of the cyclone does not match weather station recordings.

By the way re Willy Soon, I have not heard of but your accusation
that he faked his findings because of his funding source has become
the badge of the intellectuality corrupt.

To use that as a proof has become b^)*(y pathetic.

otb,

".... However the highly dependent, frightened public, made so by the incessant alarmism on all manner of things by people who should know better and a tabloid media out for sensationalism..."

I can't wait to hear what you have to to say about Abbott and his performance today on national security - since he's ticking just about every box in your quote above...for political mileage.

Somehow, I don't imagine you'll be singing from the same song sheet on that one.

Bazz,

"To use that as a proof has become b^)*(y pathetic."

Come now, we all know of the mighty connection between Exxon, Koch Brothers, etc and "skeptics".

Nice to hear of a bit of concrete evidence regarding Soon.

As for proof - denier scientists are forever being shot down in flames by the vast majority of other climate scientists - this kind of revelation merely confirms what we already know.

Poirot;
vast majority of other climate scientists

Really that was last years joke !

Bazz,

What's so funny?

It's well accepted that deniers regularly wheel out a handful of scientists to back up their guff. Some of them actually have qualifications in the relevant disciplines - although most denier experts have qualifications in areas outside the expertise required to comment on climate with any real authority.

When we strike one like Soon and we find "evidence" that he's being remunerated handsomely for "deliverables"...well....

The Climate Council - an Independent organisation
funded in the wake of the Abbott Government's abolition
of the Climate Commission has produced a brief guide to
all things Cyclone Marcia:

http://www.newmatilda.com/2015/02/22/climate-council-answers-your-faqs-all-things-cyclone-marcia

Oh come now Poirot, you must already know that bright boys like Hasbeen, Bazz and OTB know better than the vast majority of scientists re the subject of climate change?
Lol!

They also appear to know more than the BOM.
I do feel a bit sorry for the BOM though.
If they don't get the cyclone warnings exactly correct, despite the difficulty in predicting their behaviour, then they are damned either way the cyclone behaves!

Suse another fool post. The station on middle Percy is an official station, as is or was the one on Pine Islet.

I just love people know nothing about a subject, but spout the party line. It tells us their posts are nothing to do with considered or researched opinion, just regurgitation of the dogma.

Anyone who has run boats in the cyclone prone Whitsundays would be dead if they depended on the BOM.

It must be nice to go through life with this extreme faith in authority, & academics. I can only assume you have no experience in putting their pontifications to the test.

In the instance where I have real knowledge of a subject I have found the boffins not only wanting in their knowledge & understanding, but so insular that they are not interested in learning from real experience.

See my post a couple of days ago, on their efforts with another cyclone. It really is time to grow up girls.

pigheadedness is needed by the warmist to keep the funding coming. Evidence has never been a strong point just like the fools that claim that all the order of the earth came from chaos.

poor runner!

Keep trying - perhaps one day
you'll actually say something
intelligent.

Suseonline, " you must already know that bright boys like Hasbeen, Bazz and OTB know better than the vast majority of scientists re the subject of climate change?"

Where did I refer to climate change?

You are just stirring to get your buzz as usual. Is it that night starvation again?

While the BOM's forecasts are well representative of what is now expected of government agencies in the politically correct Nanny State that is Australia, they spell slow death for tourist operators.

International visitors plan long and the negative consequences of over-the-top forecasts and the inevitable tabloid media commentary that sensationalises any destruction no matter how minor DO have a lasting negative effect on international tourism.

The other problem of PC Nanny State hysteria is that locals, having experienced well-meaning but nonetheless apparent Chicken Little forecasts in the past, they might not prepare when the real one comes along.

'poor runner!

Keep trying - perhaps one day
you'll actually say something
intelligent.'

wow Foxy with the nonsense you write I will need another source. One wonders how you can be so educated with so little discernment. Oh well children do believe in fairytales.

Dear runner,

Fairytales have provided children with some
excellent role models - as I'm sure you're
well aware with what you've taught your
children.

There is no need to call me a fool Hasbeen because I don't agree with you.
You seem to have spent too much time reading Runners posts, with your use of his favourite word 'dogma', when you think you are superior to someone else.

I did mention that the BOM don't always get the weather predictions correct, but I am very secure in the knowledge that they are far more informed about weather related issues than you.