Poirot>>rehctub,you appear to be saying that Islam is "the problem" - and in the same breath telling us that many Islamic devotees are great.

So which is it?<<

P, I started a thread last year called “is there a moderate Islam.”
I accept that the barbarian social edicts of Islam are practiced by a small percentage of the whole. My issue is that majorities do not start revolutions....the minority do............then the majority follow.

My opinion is that the “moderates” are moderates until the radicals get the whip hand......then the moderates become energised radicals.

Hi Poirot,

Love that slide ! So clever !

Retchtub suggested that 'we have many great Muslims', which you re-fashion into 'Muslim devotees'. So cunning !

He then suggests that 'it's their religion, THAT THEY BROUGHT WITH THEM that is the problem', to which you, with devilish adroitness, bind these 'great Muslims' as 'devotees' of Islam.

All religious books can be interpreted in many ways, and many formal adherents don't push it either way. Just as there are great people who are Christians or atheists, they may not push their views on to anybody else or actually hold to them very 'devoutly'. They may even be far better people than the true-believers - their greatness or goodness may not flow exclusively from their formal beliefs but more from their own decency - almost in spite of their religion.

Try to think before you write, in an adult way, little Pear, don't write the first thing that comes to your mind :) Revise, revise, revise.

Just trying to help.

Love,

Joe

What's clear is that the main suppoprt networks and recruiting grounds for potential Mujahideen are the ethnic criminal gangs, not the Mosques and schools, religious extremism may not be widespread among the Muslims diasporas but criminality is.
That makes perfect sense since jihad has always been primarily resourced by plunder, banditry, smuggling, ransoms and extortion, you can see it in the actions of ISIS and Al Nusra. The jizya (tax) levied in Mosul is in fact a protection racket from which they finance operations, all their equipment is stolen or bought on the black market.
So the idea that the fault is in their religion is incorrect, so is this foolishness about Halal certification funding terrorism, it's funds from drug dealing, car re-birthing, fraud and extortion by criminal gangs which are most likely being funneled from Australia to Lebanon and Syria.

Rechub: While I accept we have many great Muslims,

Shouldn't that be: "People of Middle Eastern origin." Not moslims.

Rechub: it's their religion, THAT THEY BROUGHT WITH THEM that is the problem.

I couldn't agree more. The religion should be banned from Australia. Yes I know, we can't ban a religion. But Australia should make the equivalent laws, as they have in the Middle East, to severely restrict their activities. I do believe Abbot is thinking along those lines now. Better late than never I suppose.

poirot: You appear to be saying that Islam is "the problem"

He is right here.

poirot: and in the same breath telling us that many Islamic devotees are great.

I didn't get that. I got that some ME people (individuals) are OK. It's Islam that is the problem & he's right.

Now back to the Subject:

In the UK the Scots are always crying that they are hard done by by the English, (See the last Referendum) but as one Scot told me, "everything the Scots whinge about, they did to them selves." there is an Analogy there, I think.

How many apologies do you want, Dreamon? One every 10 years? Every Country in the entire World has been invaded at some time, Some more than others. Every time there has been an invasion there has been some sort of advancement to the betterment of the invaded people. Except for the moslem nations, they have kept choosing to go backwards for the last 800 years.

I would like see you & your ilk being given the opportunity & land to go back to as you were before the arrival of Europeans. I'd like to see that. No Welfare, No clothes, no rifle, no tinnie, no fishing line & hooks, no 3 Bedroom house & toilet, No Grog or Fags. No contact with the outside World of any description. Once in there would be no coming out for any reason. Then you would get an apology. "Sorry, you made your decision, live with it."

......I would like see you & your ilk being given the opportunity & land to go back to as you were before the arrival of Europeans. I'd like to see that. No Welfare, No clothes, no rifle, no tinnie, no fishing line & hooks, no 3 Bedroom house & toilet, No Grog or Fags. No contact with the outside World of any description. Once in there would be no coming out for any reason. Then you would get an apology. "Sorry, you made your decision, live with it."

Here here Jayb.

They want to protect their heritage but in the same breath so conveniently keep the welfare, the free housing, always playing the victim.

For less than 2% of the population, they shaw draw their fair share of the pie. That's even worse when you take away the half, quarter, eigth, sixteenth, pofftenth.

Where's our apology for our wasted taxes. Yep, racism shaw goes both ways.

I also wonder how many Whites have been bashed,robbed, raped or murdered by Aboriginals over the years, how many have been killed by their negligence in car crashes and such?
Do we get an apology for Aboriginal crime and violence against our people?