We have had the apology to those referred to as the 'first Australians', made by one leader on behalf of former leader/s, so perhaps it's time we had another leaders apology, to all Australians for past leaders allowing Muslims to immigrate to our peace loving nation.

While I accept we have many great Muslims, it's their religion, THAT THEY BROUGHT WITH THEM that is the problem.

This will probably go down in history as the worst ever policy implemented in our countries short history, not to mention almost anywhere else they have immigrated to.

Why on earth anyone would even consider allowing Muslims in when we were predominantly a Christian nation defies logic.

Dear rehctub,

Your concerns are really unwarranted.

The following link may help clarify things for
you - as to why:

http://www.convictcreations.com/culture/politics.htm

rehctub,

"While I accept we have many great Muslims, it's their religion, THAT THEY BROUGHT WITH THEM that is the problem."

you're still doing it.

You identify the people you are referring to by their religion (ie, Muslims) saying many are great.

By that you must mean that many people in Australia who practice Islam are great.

Then you go on to say that Islam is the problem.

You appear to be saying that Islam is "the problem" - and in the same breath telling us that many Islamic devotees are great.

So which is it?

Enshrine the Rights of Children not to be indoctrinated and get rid of all of the religious schools in their entirety.

That will help address the problem that comes with right wing fanaticism right across the board. Let the kids grow up together in the absence of rules that make them to look out and consider others as, well .. other.

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As for the Muslims well, they are a large extended family and the people of the West elect as a majority guvments who do send their militaries to other countries and they in turn do on mass kill huge numbers of civilians.

If you wind the clock back a bit we did recognise the problems that this can produce (ie revenge killings for the loss of friends and family etc) thus at times of war, for example, japs and crouts in the bin etc etc regardless of whether they personally had done anything wrong or not.

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To give you another example, when the Israelis invaded Gaza, all of the Muslims of fighting age in Indonesia stood up and said through their spokesmen to their President, "When are we going to fight the Zionists?"

If the media here was not so censorsed and so inept you would be much more aware of the huge civilian death toll overseas.

As for the meaningless apology to the Original Australians, what makes any of you white trash think that after the genocide, the slavery and all manner of atrocities think, that you have any legitimate right whatsoever to be telling these poor people anything at all.

You are the ill begotten spawn of thieves and genocidal murderers and for you to continue to want to subjugate these people makes you little better than your forebears.

Give them back something of their own and then go to Hell. If any of them want to have anything to do with you in the aftermath, then that is obviously a matter for them.

Dream On,
How many Aborigines did your family kill?
Mine didn't kill any, they were law abiding English Methodists on one side and Irish Catholics on the other, they didn't steal anyone's land either, they took out loans to buy property, different branches of the family variously worked mining claims to supplement the income from their dairy farm, cut timber, opened a bakery, ran a coach building and repair shop and quarried slate for building. In recent generations they've been nurses, policemen, soldiers, builders and artists and in my age group we have one doctor, several teachers, a nun, a Christian missionary/aid worker and even a marine biologist, hardly genocidal trash, one has even devoted her life to teaching Aboriginal kids in the NT.

DreamOn,

Do you have evidence for your assertions ? Or just a comfortable, proof-less, Paradigm, from which all assertions flow ?

Like you, I once believed, fervently. Forty years ago, my wife and I were making Aboriginal flags. We lived in a community for four years. But since then, I have learnt, slowly and painfully.

Here in South Australia, Aboriginal people's rights to use the land as they had done traditionally were recognised from the outset, in the 1837 Letters Patent, and then in legislation, in the Pastoral Acts. I'm told those rights are still recognised in the Environment Act, although people now have to apply to a committee, and can go on land only if they can show some family link.

The one-man 'Aborigines Department' - i.e. the Protector - had as its major task, the supply of around sixty ration depots, mainly for the elderly, sick, infirm, nursing mothers, and orphans Able-bodied people were expected to make use of their land-use rights, and go out and hunt, fish and gather, or work for farmers and pastoralists. In droughts, they were also provided with rations.

The Protector provided around a hundred 'canoes', 15-ft long, 5-ft wide, and fishing gear, for people on waterways, even on Cooper's Creek. For those who couldn't work, he provided guns and canoes free, with repairs free. Working people were expected to pay half the costs.

It appears - to my surprise too ! - that nobody was driven off their lands in South Australia. The Protector (all of his letters can be found on: www.firstsources.info ) was told of a new pastoral lessee who intended to drive Aboriginal people from his lease; the Protector immediately reminded him that he would be in breach of his lease conditions if he did so, and would lose his lease. Later, that particular station had a ration depot. Many times, the Protector in his letters reminds police to try to keep people in their districts, and gives out free rail and coach passes for people to return to their districts.

[TBC]

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Nobody was 'herded' onto Missions in SA. I don't think there were any children 'stolen' either. School records don't bear out that myth.

The problem with assertions is that there IS evidence one way or the other, and often not in the way people expect. Thirty years ago, I did an income study of an Aboriginal community and found parity of income with average Australians. Who would have thought ?

So, if you want to run off at the mouth, you need to have some evidence, not just suspicions. Or of course, you can just dream on.

Joe

Dream on, you're Clinging on to a culture that if left along wouldn't have even invented a wheel by now. Perhaps it's time Dream on, that you Moved on.

I heard a comment recently from an indigenous man who was at the apology speech, he said when he was approached by a total stranger that told him he was sorry, this indigenous guy said, no need to appologise, you didn't do anything, you can say you're sorry for what happened, but you can't appologise for something you didn't do. Exactly what the so called apology should have been.

Of cause now they're going for compensation. For what, being saved from inner family abuse.

Move on dream on.

Poirot, you can twist words as much as you wish but to allow these people in, along with their garbage was a huge mistake and one that is just now beginning to surface.

Dream On,

I should have added something crucial: often, especially in relation to Aboriginal affairs, policies have 'perverse effects' - effects which were not expected, which create more problems, and perhaps even aggravate a situation.

For example, early administrations in South Australia set up a major ration depot, 'the Native Location', about half a mile along the Torrens in Adelaide, which from the end of 1839, included a school, teaching in Kaurna, the local language.

But at the same time, the administrations expected able-bodied people to keep hunting, fishing and gathering, camping on their lands, etc. However, unexpectedly, the people congregated around the ration depot on the Location, leaving the surrounding country mostly empty, effectively unused. The administrations soon declared those lands to be 'wastelands', open to settlement by farmers, not just pastoralists, and sold off the land as more or less exclusive and free-hold, not under annual licence or longer-term lease.

Meanwhile, the people settled more firmly on the Location, where medical services and reliable food supplies continued, as well as education (and food and board) for their children. The people may have thought that they were on a sweet deal, with no perception that they were being colonised until much later.

There is a multitude of perverse effects of well-intentioned policy across Australia. At the same time, some seemingly minor policies have had amazing results: for example, the funding for Indigenous student support at universities from the late seventies until around 2005 (after which those funds seem to have been transferred to the teaching of Indigenous Culture etc. to non-Indigenous students) has now produced nearly forty thousand graduates, one in every eight or nine adults. Nothing's rock-solid in policy implementation and outcomes.

Joe

the left through their revisionist history has taught the blacks to hate the whites. When Africans and others come from overseas they can't believe how they had been conned about white racism. They see things for how it actually is instead of the perverted narrative of the left.

What type of person sees themselves as an individual and everyone else as part of a group? That's the way many sociopaths see the world.
Most people are either collectivist or individualistic in outlook, individualists see themselves and everyone else as individuals, collectivists see themselves as part of a group living among other groups.
What we see in Dream On's posting is the split personality found only in the misanthropic elements of the far left or the far right, they self identify as either "Racists" or "Anti Racists" and then place themselves outside society from where they fire off missives or abuse at all and sundry.

I had a great post come in on my Facebook this morning from one of the bands I follow, it's translated from Portuguese but you get the drift:

"Recently I have received some stupid messages of Brazilian guys, accusing me and accusing Nargaroth for political content (Leftists accusing me of being Nazi, and right accusing me of not being Nazi enough). Threaten me and my musicians. This all sucks. And I'm not afraid! Any of you guys! If they want to kill me, kill! And let my musicians alone!
I'm tired of being accused by liberals of being Nazi, and right is not Nazi enough! I love my nation and would fight for him until the end! If that makes me a Nazi, so be it! I've been in the army for my nation, and I had many problems at home for being patriotic, if that does not make me enough German, little me care. I do not care about the charges. I am what I am - just a man!"

Poirot>>rehctub,you appear to be saying that Islam is "the problem" - and in the same breath telling us that many Islamic devotees are great.

So which is it?<<

P, I started a thread last year called “is there a moderate Islam.”
I accept that the barbarian social edicts of Islam are practiced by a small percentage of the whole. My issue is that majorities do not start revolutions....the minority do............then the majority follow.

My opinion is that the “moderates” are moderates until the radicals get the whip hand......then the moderates become energised radicals.

Hi Poirot,

Love that slide ! So clever !

Retchtub suggested that 'we have many great Muslims', which you re-fashion into 'Muslim devotees'. So cunning !

He then suggests that 'it's their religion, THAT THEY BROUGHT WITH THEM that is the problem', to which you, with devilish adroitness, bind these 'great Muslims' as 'devotees' of Islam.

All religious books can be interpreted in many ways, and many formal adherents don't push it either way. Just as there are great people who are Christians or atheists, they may not push their views on to anybody else or actually hold to them very 'devoutly'. They may even be far better people than the true-believers - their greatness or goodness may not flow exclusively from their formal beliefs but more from their own decency - almost in spite of their religion.

Try to think before you write, in an adult way, little Pear, don't write the first thing that comes to your mind :) Revise, revise, revise.

Just trying to help.

Love,

Joe

What's clear is that the main suppoprt networks and recruiting grounds for potential Mujahideen are the ethnic criminal gangs, not the Mosques and schools, religious extremism may not be widespread among the Muslims diasporas but criminality is.
That makes perfect sense since jihad has always been primarily resourced by plunder, banditry, smuggling, ransoms and extortion, you can see it in the actions of ISIS and Al Nusra. The jizya (tax) levied in Mosul is in fact a protection racket from which they finance operations, all their equipment is stolen or bought on the black market.
So the idea that the fault is in their religion is incorrect, so is this foolishness about Halal certification funding terrorism, it's funds from drug dealing, car re-birthing, fraud and extortion by criminal gangs which are most likely being funneled from Australia to Lebanon and Syria.

Rechub: While I accept we have many great Muslims,

Shouldn't that be: "People of Middle Eastern origin." Not moslims.

Rechub: it's their religion, THAT THEY BROUGHT WITH THEM that is the problem.

I couldn't agree more. The religion should be banned from Australia. Yes I know, we can't ban a religion. But Australia should make the equivalent laws, as they have in the Middle East, to severely restrict their activities. I do believe Abbot is thinking along those lines now. Better late than never I suppose.

poirot: You appear to be saying that Islam is "the problem"

He is right here.

poirot: and in the same breath telling us that many Islamic devotees are great.

I didn't get that. I got that some ME people (individuals) are OK. It's Islam that is the problem & he's right.

Now back to the Subject:

In the UK the Scots are always crying that they are hard done by by the English, (See the last Referendum) but as one Scot told me, "everything the Scots whinge about, they did to them selves." there is an Analogy there, I think.

How many apologies do you want, Dreamon? One every 10 years? Every Country in the entire World has been invaded at some time, Some more than others. Every time there has been an invasion there has been some sort of advancement to the betterment of the invaded people. Except for the moslem nations, they have kept choosing to go backwards for the last 800 years.

I would like see you & your ilk being given the opportunity & land to go back to as you were before the arrival of Europeans. I'd like to see that. No Welfare, No clothes, no rifle, no tinnie, no fishing line & hooks, no 3 Bedroom house & toilet, No Grog or Fags. No contact with the outside World of any description. Once in there would be no coming out for any reason. Then you would get an apology. "Sorry, you made your decision, live with it."

......I would like see you & your ilk being given the opportunity & land to go back to as you were before the arrival of Europeans. I'd like to see that. No Welfare, No clothes, no rifle, no tinnie, no fishing line & hooks, no 3 Bedroom house & toilet, No Grog or Fags. No contact with the outside World of any description. Once in there would be no coming out for any reason. Then you would get an apology. "Sorry, you made your decision, live with it."

Here here Jayb.

They want to protect their heritage but in the same breath so conveniently keep the welfare, the free housing, always playing the victim.

For less than 2% of the population, they shaw draw their fair share of the pie. That's even worse when you take away the half, quarter, eigth, sixteenth, pofftenth.

Where's our apology for our wasted taxes. Yep, racism shaw goes both ways.

I also wonder how many Whites have been bashed,robbed, raped or murdered by Aboriginals over the years, how many have been killed by their negligence in car crashes and such?
Do we get an apology for Aboriginal crime and violence against our people?

This muslim problem could disappear as quickly as it arrived absent american zionism
In the 10 plus years of warring in Afghanistan and Iraq hazard a guess how many from those countries. Have been displaced made into refugees

The numbers are staggering

Normal military conflicts create generational hatred , The indiscriminate bombing for over decade is unthinkable.

What fool is then surprised that they end up on our shores
What kind of degenerate culture attributes the inevitable hatred to the religion.

The buffoons who own our media have turned our nation into blubbering flag waving imbeciles. People turn to religion in desperation for some any kind of meaning.

It's not the religion that radicalises, it's the bombs,the dead family members, the lost limbs, the destroyed homes, the endless lies of freedom and democracy.

You want to stop the boats and stop the extremists - get the hell out of their countries.

The American zionist s have military bases in over 135 countries
The 60 odd without military bases are to varying degrees threatened with bombs, economic sanctions, leadership assassinations and all manner of subterfuge.

If you want to have a good look at the cause of the worlds problems all you need do is look in a mirror.

Jay & LoudMouth,

you two are truly clueless and little better than your forbears who committed the crimes against humanity even if they were only recipients of the ill gotten gains.

And we well know the crimes of the irish catholics Jay and the other religious fruit cakes.

Tell it to what is left of the Tasmanian Original Australians who aren't even recognised as such.

They are are, warts and all, an essentially noble and sovereign people, and you are required to return their sovereignty back to them.

Thereafter, why don't you take your filthy white trash parasitic culture and f.off back to england or wherever your people came from. The Original people certainly do not want you, and the fact that we don't have an even worse home grown terrorism problem is tribute to that noble Spirit, as they have every good reason to make you pay for what you did and your continued subjugation of them.

So, if you've got any designs over the northern territory, I suggest you forget it now, or the heat will most certainly go up.

yebiga: In the 10 plus years of warring in Afghanistan and Iraq hazard a guess how many from those countries. Have been displaced made into refugees.

The Refugees were flooding in long before the West got involved. Fleeing from their own people. The people aren't fleeing the Western intervention they are fleeing from their fellow moslems of both persuasions. You should really be going back to join you fellow Jihadists, mate. they are missing you.

Dreamon: Tell it to what is left of the Tasmanian Original Australians who aren't even recognised as such.

Whooooa! wait on a minute Dreamer. You new comers chased the Tasmanian Aboriginal Aborigines' out of Australia when you invaded. They are not even the same Race as you. They were Austro-Melanesian & you are Austronesian.

Dreamer: Thereafter, why don't you take your filthy white trash parasitic culture and f.off back to england or wherever your people came from. The Original people certainly do not want you, and the fact that we don't have an even worse home grown terrorism problem is tribute to that noble Spirit, as they have every good reason to make you pay for what you did and your continued subjugation of them.

Thank you for your kind Racist words. Maybe we should and make sure you go back to how you were before the European arrived. Just in case you didn't get my last post answering your Racist rant. here it is again.

I would like see you & your ilk being given the opportunity & land to go back to as you were before the arrival of Europeans. I'd like to see that. No Welfare, No clothes, no rifle, no tinnie, no fishing line & hooks, no 3 Bedroom house & toilet, No Grog or Fags. No contact with the outside World of any description. Once in there would be no coming out for any reason. Then you would get an apology. "Sorry, you made your decision, live with it."

Jayb I suggest you do some research
The refugee crisis has escalated dramatically during the last 15 years
Compliments of us zionist global war on everyone

Do you remember having these muslim issues in the 1990s?

Wake up, your being taken for a chimp.

'Chump', Yebiga.

Dream On,

Don't get too far up yourself. My wife and I made some of the first Aboriginal flags, symbol of a desperately-needed unity in our view, a couple of hundred eventually, and circulated them around Australia during 1972. My wife used to take a Flag to visiting artists like Buffy Sainte-Marie and Roberta Flack and Nina Simone and B.B. King. I think the first one at the Aboriginal Embassy in Canberra was one of ours. And at the Embassy in Darwin, and of course here in Adelaide.

As for Tasmania: in 1800 or so, there were supposed to be around 2,000 Aboriginal people in Tasmania (I suspect far fewer, actually). At the last Census, there were more than twenty thousand.

Get some runs on the board, my boy, before you slag your seniors.

Joe

yebiga: Jayb I suggest you do some research. The refugee crisis has escalated dramatically during the last 15 years.

Research? I lived through it. May I suggest that YOU do a lot of research. You will find moslems fighting moslems for the power over the past 1500 years. The start of the major refugee problem started in the 70's.

yebiga: Compliments of us zionist global war on everyone

Well you lot keep bombing them of course they are going to hit back.

Do you remember having these muslim issues in the 1990s?

Yes I do & long before. The Ayotollah Khomeni made a speech in Western Australia in the 70' & it's in his, "Little Green Book" that moslems must invade Western Countries by Stealth & convert them to Islam weather they like it or not. He said of Australians that we were a Religious Desert & ripe for conversion.

Haven't left for Syria yet, mate?

Komeini came to power because of a backlash to US interference
You may remember the US puppet shah of Iran?

War creates refugees and since the Second World War the Zionist USA has made war on the world and the refugees have swarmed
You might remember Vietnam?

Declaring war on communism was one thing
Declaring war on a religion is another matter entirely
As it is simply unwinnable
There is no conceivable vision of victory because it is a mirage
There is no precedent for winning such a war
There is only a precedent of the very worst kind of barbarity

In choosing to conduct such a futile destructive path the USA has charged towards its own demise as a world power. The good will it had accumulated at the conclusion of ww2 has all but been depleted. In its stead, it has cultivated hatred.

The chinese economy has all but surpassed the USA
Together with India and Russia a new global force has emerged
The western world is literally bankrupt due to USA leadership

Europe is a shambles and the USA is a financial mirage

The war on terror and Islam is the last desperate play by big USA industry to loot from these vulnerable countries and delay the inevitable decline

Don't be fooled the USA is a wounded animal
It's behavior is increasingly eratic desperate and dangerous
The zoo eR this transition happens the sooner we will all see that the war on Islam is a tragic sham

Jayb,

Ayatollah Khomeini in Western Australia ? Yeah, I might have picked grapes with him up in the Riverland, he talked about working on the peaches around Margaret River, and on the wharves at Carnarvon as a tally clerk. Strange bloke, very uncommunicative. Put petrol in the diesel tractor, probably deliberately.

Yebiga,

I take your point about the US being the most evil power ever known in the entire history of the world. They probably engineered not only 9/11 but every one of the tens of thousands of so-called terrorist attacks since then, covering up their tracks with ingenious cunning. Beheading people by the thousands, burning prisoners alive, raping and enslaving women, attacking schools and mosques and churches, butchering children and ....... no, sorry, that's the other mob. Wait, I'll think of something that the Yanks have done which is just as bad.

Nope, can't think of anything yet.

Joe

Let me help
Hiroshima, Dresden, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine,

How About Abu grai , Guantanamo,

Water boarding, anal feeding, ...

The invention Israel Isis Saudi arabia

Not mention whitlam, Kennedy

What about the GFC, the bankruptcy of the entire western world, the neo conservative global attack on decency

How about they are just down right dumb
They have invented mass killing
They run imaginary wars of drugs religion...

There is a start for you

Hey YEBIGA, Does the World rotate around the Sun or the Sun rotate around a stationary Earth.

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2015/02/18/12/02/saudi-cleric-rejects-widely-held-belief-that-earth-rotates-around-the-sun

Surprised to find you still in Australia.

And Australians believe 2 steel buildings 120 plus stories high disappeared into their own foot prints at free fall speed without the aid of positioned explosives.

Other Australians believed Saddam Hussein was the anti Christ and that he had weapons of universal destruction

Australians believe Israelis are all good and Palestinians pure evil

Up until 1967 indigenous Australians were considered part of the fauna, so for two centuries the invasion of Australia was underpinned by the myth of terra nullis!

We believed in the Vietnam war and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan
We believe Muslims want to destroy our way of life

And forget that we daily Bomb their homes, kill and maim their families, assassinate their leaders, install puppet regimes, steal their oil and resources and all then convince ourselves they are conspiring to destroy our way of life.

The mass pathology our culture suffers from is beyond words
There is only one word which only begins to describes us - we are C....s

You didn't answer the question Yegiba, "Do you believe the World rotate around the Sun or the Sun rotate around a stationary Earth."

Yegiga: Australians believe Israelis are all good and Palestinians pure evil.

Well, isn't that a given.

Yegiba: Up until 1967 indigenous Australians were considered part of the fauna, so for two centuries the invasion of Australia was underpinned by the myth of terra nullis!

True, but we fixed that up.

yebiga: We believe Muslims want to destroy our way of life

Well, even you can't argue with that.

Yegiba: And forget that we daily Bomb their homes, kill and maim their families, assassinate their leaders,

Only of the bad guys who are doing it to their fellow moslems.

Yegiba: There is only one word which only begins to describes us - we are C....s

I believe you entire post is racist, yegiba. That's not nice.

Thank you for your kind words.

YERBUGA,

Among other things, I would very much dispute your claim that Aboriginal people were treated like flora and fauna, which one hears occasionally. Can you cite any evidence of that ?

In the 1840s, the Colonial Secretary, Lord Grey, instructed colonial administrations to formally recognise the rights of Aboriginal people to use their lands as they always had done traditionally: such rights were written into every pastoral lease, and still are, at least in South Australia.

It wasn't in any way a recognition of land ownership, but of the rights to use land, to 'occupy or enjoy', the fruits of the land, so 'terra nullius' still prevailed, i.e. the non -recognition of any form of Aboriginal land ownership, including the right to sell the land, or gain any benefit from the sale of land, simply to make customary use of the land.

Such usufructuary rights were common in all European land systems - people could have exclusive rights to he fruit from a single peach tree, for example, or the right to fish in a particular stream for a particular period. So there is nothing unique or novel about the re3cognition of such rights here.

Is that what you meant, in that part of your exculpatory rant, Ishmael ?

Joe

Jayb
Precisely what race am I vilifying when you say I am racist?

The level of discourse on this forum has degenerated into single cell organism

And "Ishmael" I am guessing is in and of itself an insult? Goodness me!

Perhaps the forum should be renamed team Australia oi Oi oi !

*YeBiga*

Keep up the good work mate. You are doing a great job. What you have encountered though fits into the category that I label "Filthy White Trash" so you need not be shocked or dismayed by their ignorant comments.

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Thereafter, by co-incidence, there was a feature on the situation of the Original Australians in South Australia on NITV last night.

The guvenor stood before the crowd and recognised the Letters Patent of then William Head of State of the Genocidal Pom.

Unfortunately, the letters were ignored, the land sold off, and the original people either shot and burned or put into prison camps. And don't forget the two atomic bombs that killed still more.

Truly the invaders were a wretched and evil people.

And today, they have bulldozed with flagrant disregard the burial sites of these same people.

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If you want the evidence that the invader scum categorised the original people as part of the Flora and Fauna Act then go to a law library and read it for yourself as I and others have done.

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Re the middle east, it is true that white trash invaded there too with superior military technology, broke up the tribal structures, killed off the leaders, redrew the map and began the process of milking the oil. Only the naive and the ignorant do not accept this.

Now, any justification for a military presence is what they want in order to protect the places where they are stealing and looting.

So don't come whining now these people have well and truly had a gut full of you and stick some c4 right up your clacker. It is less than you deserve.

yegiba:Jayb,Precisely what race am I vilifying when you say I am racist?

Us western Infidels.

yegiba: Perhaps the forum should be renamed team Australia oi Oi oi !

Yep & "Come on Australia & more pi$$."

You haven't answered the question yet, yegiba.

"Do you believe the World rotate around the Sun or the Sun rotate around a stationary Earth." As instructed by one of your learned Imams.

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2015/02/18/12/02/saudi-cleric-rejects-widely-held-belief-that-earth-rotates-around-the-sun.

What about women driving cars;

http://www.smh.com.au/world/saudi-cleric-driving-could-damage-womens-ovaries-20130930-2umzt.html#ixzz2gSTP2rVM

Do you think Adultery causes earthquakes?

Do you think women handling Carrots, Cucumbers & Bananas leads them to commit adultery?

You could put me on the path to salvation if you answer these questions. You never know.

More Racist rants, Dreamer. I could get you suspended for a month for this, but it's all too funny to miss.

By the way, do you want to go back to the way you were? You haven't said.

You go for your life you pathetic moron. And, despite your dribbling, I am actually of Western descent.

You see, true Australians recognise the atrocities of the past and work for Justice.

(and I would add that the trash in the department of education have a lot to answer for regarding their propagation of falsehood)

The filthy white trash on the other, such as yourself, seek to lie and deny and do whatever it takes to prevent the truth getting out on mass, in a vain effort to keep that which doesn't belong to you.

To fast rack to resolution, Sovereignty must be restored and the land must be redivided and the Original people appropriately compensated.

(not that any amount of money can be paid to compensate what has been done to them)

As for traditional lifestyle, you would really need to ask the people concerned, though I for one enjoy enjoy both worlds and move in between largely when and as I please.

US western infidels do not represent any specific race
Although it is predominantly white you should not mistake it as necessarily white
The color is an accident of history.

The distinguishing feature is not race or religion but privilege and those who possess privilege don't want to share and in fact only want more and more of it.

Whilst the rest of us are almost universally are unwitting supplicants and servants who are rewarded with some crumbs if we offer sufficient service.

It has largely always been this way. The difference is that in the past there was minimal technology and life was necessarilyshort and brutal for almost everyone. This is no longer necessary but our technological capacity is beyond our human ingrained Barbarism.

What has changed is that the consequences are now magnified to point of threatening everything you can imagine.

The world is run by the same kind of drug infect fools running ISIS. Consequences daily more apparent.

The type of simplistic racial religious national us /them mentality you project is past having any objective relevance. It cannot bare any scrutiny - it's simply trash which traps us in self defeating cycles of behaviour offering absolutely no solution.

Outrage history is littered with religious and nationalistic wars, nothing good can come of them. Then as now the powerful used these beliefs for their purposes.

Dream On,

Do you have any evidence of the terrible crimes you are claiming ?

If you assert, you must provide evidence.

Joe

Dreamer: I am actually of Western descent.

So what you are saying is that you have a foot in both camps & because of you bad attitude neither side wants you. I can see that.

yegiba, all you have done is divert, divert, divert. If you are not happy in Australia I suggest you move to Syria. I'm sure they'll welcome you with open arms or won't our Government let you. Buggar, That's a policy I don't agree with. They should let you all go & the quicker the better. Don't ya'all come back now.

All my questions that I have put to you are quite simple. Why won't you answer them? Are you afraid? Why do you divert? Does it mean that I'm right & you know it?

Jayb - I have answered everyone of your questions
Sadly you refuse to understand my answers
I would happily go to Syria once western military and intelligence stops meddling bombing and robbing it
Do you imagine people from around the world wish to leave their family homes culture to come here for the cricket? They come here because we and our friends led by the USA have systemically made it impossible for them to stay at home- we have destroyed their home.
There is no fight where blame is not attributed to both sides
We would be well advised to take a more neutral position like our near neighbor NZ
They don't blindly follow the USA into every stupid conflict -

yegiba: Jayb - I have answered everyone of your questions. Sadly you refuse to understand my answers.

Ay? I didn't see an answer for this Question. "Do you believe the World rotate around the Sun or the Sun rotate around a stationary Earth."

Yes, it does rotate around the Sun. No, it doesn't.

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2015/02/18/12/02/saudi-cleric-rejects-widely-held-belief-that-earth-rotates-around-the-sun

Who do you believe, this learned Imam or Western Scientists?

What about these.

What about women driving cars;

http://www.smh.com.au/world/saudi-cleric-driving-could-damage-womens-ovaries-20130930-2umzt.html#ixzz2gSTP2rVM

Does driving cars damage women's ovaries?

Yes. No.

Do you think Adultery causes earthquakes?

Yes. No.

Do you think women handling Carrots, Cucumbers & Bananas leads them to commit adultery?

Yes. No.

You could put me on the path to salvation if you answer these questions. You never know.

I have scoured your Posts & can't find anywhere where you have answered these Questions. They only require a "Yes" or "No" not a diversion to some other virtual reality.

In fact, I'll make it easy for you. Just do a cut & paste & delete either Yes or no. Which ever you think is the right answer.

Jay babe
You ask random nonsense which even you surprisingly recognize as such
And you expect someone to answer to this
Further you appear to consider this line of questioning as proof of western superiority
Do members of the Kkk alone prove that the USA is deranged?

Can you be unaware of The unbridled ignorance this displays?

It would seem the you all about the base and as long as your posts display a token volume of spunk you figure logic and reasoning are a unnecessary burden to your verbal foot stompin

Yebiga,
Err no, I think you'll find that Iraqis and Afghans substantially f-ed their own countries, the Western powers dropped a few bombs here and there but the locals systematically wrecked every piece of infrastructure and stole everything they could once the Police and militias withdrew from the field. It was the Iraqis who left their schools, factories and public offices mere concrete shells after either stealing or smashing everything down to window frames and door hinges.
The allies made a major blunder only in assuming that Arabs and Central Asians would be capable of behaving like White westerners when liberated from their respective regimes, but race is real and the locals acted upon their natural urges to steal everything they could drag away and smash everything they couldn't. The only way to maintain order among sub 80 IQ Arabs and Asians is either strict sharia law or the regional variants of Fascism, otherwise they lose their heads and loot the hospitals and schools, then when everything is in ruins they start fighting each other.

Dream On,
Yes, of course you're White, I've never come across an Aboriginal who actually hated my people, it's only White lefties of the more thuggish, low IQ variety who think the way you do.

yegiba: You ask random nonsense which even you surprisingly recognize as such And you expect someone to answer to this.

It's not random nonsense & you told me that you had answered my Questions. You still haven't. I dare you. There.

yegiba: Further you appear to consider this line of questioning as proof of western superiority

Nothing of the sort. I bow to the superior knowledge of the Esteemed Islamic Authorities. Either you believe the Esteemed Islamic Authority making these claims in the name of Islam, or you don't. If you don't believe these esteemed Islamic authorities then you are not a true believing moslem. You would lose you head in the middle East for deigning Allah's teaching.

If you do, well enough said, I think.

yebiga: Can you be unaware of The unbridled ignorance this displays?

Were you referring to me, or your Esteemed Islamic Authority. Tut, tut.

The Iraqi and Afghanistanis destroyed themselves? The complete dismemberment and dismissal of their civil service, their police and military had nothing to do with it?

And then the sheer beauty of you marking their IQ - you had me stitches - pure gold!

Bomb babe bomb

yegiba: And then the sheer beauty of you marking their IQ - you had me stitches - pure gold!

I was surprised he put it up that high. Statistically the combined Middle East is lower than that. Take for example the Esteemed Islamic Authorities & their rulings. Even 70 would be high for them. I wonder where that leaves their even less informed moslem flock that have to believe their edicts.

Unfortunately, my friend yegiba, you have to believe that the Earth is flat & the Sun goes around it. YOU have no choice or YOU may be an infidel.

The Earth doesn't revolve around the Sun. Miracle of the Quran 2014
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQHdR5whcp4

Response to the Sun revolves around the Earth claim. Saudi Cleric Al Fawzan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpJmJGh0boA

Part 4-Wahhabi Fatwa: Whoever believes Earth revolves around the Sun is infidel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBd8VXvoTkl

Iraq TV Debate. Is the Earth Flat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wppjYDj9JUc

The Quran. Mohammad's Flat Earth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FaNg_nxqns

The IQ rating in the Middle East is going down at a great rate of knots, Ay, & they used to be so advanced. What happened?

I do not know what Yebiga's agenda is....but Yebiga is 100% right about the Zionist agenda....divide, conquer and plunder is at the base of it.

I have railed about the Islamic Caliphet for years on this forum, just as I have railed against the Zionist agenda. The only difference is one has control of the global economy and one does not......guess which one.

There is a growing voice among Rabinical clergy over the politicalzation of their religion by Zionists.....While the west carried out pograms against their Jewish populations for the past 2000 years, the Jews and Arabs lived in relative harmony until the Zionists movement started in the late 19th century.

Jayb
Your do one with the high IQ, how about you tell us what caused the decline of the Middle East?
This promises to be fascinating

Hi Yerbuga,

Yeah ! Why can't anybody tell you the reasons for the decline of the Middle East, if possible in ten words ?

Keep demanding simple answers to incredibly complex situations, and you will fully demonstrate the efficacy of IQ measurements, which until now I had always discounted as invalid, upper-class, rubbish, developed a century ago to exclude working class kids from quality secondary education.

Or maybe you are having a lend of us ?

Where are the comedy shows of yesteryear, Fast Forward or The Young Ones, where you could air your talents ?

Joe

Yegiba: Your do one with the high IQ, how about you tell us what caused the decline of the Middle East? This promises to be fascinating

Oh that's an easy one. The rise of the Mullahs in the 14th. Century.
There we are, Loudmouth, nine words, easy. ;-) Ain't 'istory grand?

The Mullahs closed the Universities & higher learning & promoted The Quran as the "only" source of learning & knowledge. It's been downhill logarithmically ever since. Oh, that means a steep downward increasing curve, just in case, you know.

I do feel sorry for you being forever stuck in the 14th. Century & not allowed to leave. You poor buggar. You could always convert to Christianity & be saved from the ignorance of Islam.

You didn't answer, once again, the questions. Why is that. Are you a moslem or an Infidel?

Jayb
Amazing, thank you for setting me straight
All this time I thought it was the invasion and dismemberment of the region by various European countries and more lately the USA
How could I be so wrong teddy?

Turkeys' continuing progress and stability must be due to its proximity to Europeans and all the higher IQ must rub off on them.

I wonder given that Jews from the region are of the same ethnic racial lines as Middle East Muslims, Namely Semites , how is it they are born with such a higher IQ?
Is it the water or the religion and yet Jewish fundamentalist beliefs are almost indistinguishable from Muslim fundamentalist beliefs
Ahh none of it makes any sense brother
Let's all just love each othe

To be frank jAy babe
I find The Defining of a nation by its religion is contemptuous
Whether that is Jewish Muslim or Christian
When U.S. presidents quote God I want to spew

yegiba: Jayb, Amazing, thank you for setting me straight.

You're welcome. See you learnt something today. It wasn't wasted banging your head on the ground for nothing after all.

yegiba: All this time I thought it was the invasion and dismemberment of the region by various European countries and more lately the USA.

It's nice to see that you can admit when you are wrong. Well done.

Yegiba: How could I be so wrong teddy?

It's that banging the head on the pavement that'll do it every time.

Ya all knew that was comin' din cha? Left himself so open. ;-)

Who said people in turkey had high IQ's. At least their slightly higher than the rest of the ME.

yegiba: Is it the water or the religion and yet Jewish fundamentalist beliefs are almost indistinguishable from Muslim fundamentalist beliefs.

True but you are talking about fundamentalist Jews & they're just weird. The rest of them don't believe the Sun doesn't revolve around the Earth.

Mate, you haven't answered any of my questions. you just divert. Goodness I couldn't have made it any easier for you. Please don't divert again it's not polite.

What say you. I dare you to get some guts & answer the questions. I'm sure everybody here would love to know just where you stand on the Quran verses Modern Science. Are you a real moslem or an Infidel?

Maybe if you can't work it out already - my answers might harm you

Yebiga,
Something like 90% of the Jews in the middle east (and the world) are Ashkenazim from Europe, the Y paternity genetics show a mid east origin in the fairly recent past, what that indicates is that relatively small numbers of mainly male Jews emigrated to Europe and intermarried with local women.

Ashkenazi Jewish matrilineages mainly of European origin
http://dienekes.blogspot.com.au/2013/10/ashkenazi-jewish-matrilineages-mainly.html
Analysis of Ashkenazi Jewish genomes (Bray et al. 2010)
http://dienekes.blogspot.com.au/2010/08/analysis-of-ashkenazi-jewish-genomes.html

"Researchers looked for close to one million single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs): common alternative spellings in the genome, analogous to American and British spellings of words such as organize/organise. One measure of genetic diversity in a population is heterozygosity, or how many of the SNPs inherited from the mother and father are different; a more inbred population has less heterozygosity.
"We were surprised to find evidence that Ashkenazi Jews have higher heterozygosity than Europeans, contradicting the widely-held presumption that they have been a largely isolated group," says first author Steven Bray, PhD, a postdoctoral fellow in Warren's laboratory.
High linkage disequilibrium can come either from an isolated population (for example, an island whose residents are all descendents of shipwreck survivors) or the relatively recent mixture of separate populations. Bray and his colleagues did find evidence of elevated linkage disequilibrium in the Ashkenazi Jewish population, but were able to show that this matches signs of interbreeding or "admixture" between Middle Eastern and European populations.

The researchers were able to estimate that between 35 and 55 percent of the modern Ashkenazi genome comes from European descent."

Yes, Yerbiga, we're all mind-readers out here, we know what you are on about. Typical four-year-old logic.

Meanwhile, back to topic: maybe it is sheer fortuitousness, but our governments have, willy-nilly, invited Muslims from many different backgrounds, Sunni, Shia, Ahmadiyyah, Sufi, etc. ,and from many different countries, backgrounds and circumstances, along with many of their fellow-countrymen and -women who are Christian, Yazidi, Shabak, Jewish and Baha'i, etc., some skilled migrants, some via family reunions, some refugees. To most of us Anglos, they all look the same, but they really are a very diverse, disparate, population.

Not to mention that what seem to us ignorants out here to be similar (and 'therefore' all somehow united against 'us'), they may come from Sierra Leone or Turkestan or the Philippines and a multitude of countries in between. Only a small minority would speak Arabic, most would be as much locally-cultural as strictly Muslim, often more locally-cultural THAN Muslim.

Yes, of course, there would be a small, very disaffected minority, who see slights and slurs and insults in all sorts of ways, and translate that into some Muslim/anti-Muslim dichotomy, and who may dream of hacking someone's head off. But I sincerely hope that the vast majority of us are mature enough to all get along, and not give way to either some idiotic anti-Other hysteria on the one hand, or to an equally idiotic butchery of a random non-Muslim Other on the other hand.

This next year or two may be crucial in the history of the world, and in Australia. A struggle between civilization and barbarism, between rights and freedoms and equalities, versus surrender, retreat, darkness and terror. We'll see.

Joe

Yebiga,

Inbreeding depression and IQ in a study of 72 countries
Michael A. Woodley
School of Biological Sciences, Royal Holloway, University of London, UK
http://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/inbreedingdpression.pdf

Precisely what this study found was that inbreeding had a negligible impact upon IQ levels overall but that even a small handicap in cognitive ability was compounded by consanguinous pairings and that such populations were more likely to be impoverished, which has a dramatic effect on intelligence and general cognitive abilitiy due to poor nutrition, lack of education, a tendency toward autocratic systems of social organisation in those societies etc.
As I said it's self perpetuating, most of the people in the Middle East are poor and dumb, the only way to keep dumb, poor people from destroying their living space and then turning on each other is a combination of strict religious law and a government with secret police and other goon squads to stomp on the knuckleheads as soon as they start acting up. You can see the amount of top down state management the Arabs of Western Sydney require to keep them from killing each other and wrecking their surroundings and the people of Blacktown live like kings compared to their bumpkin relatives back in the Levant, they have a much better environment with access to every modern convenience yet they're still dumb, violent and mindlessly destructive.

Dear Joe (Loudmouth),

Your words have touched my heart and given me
hope. Well done! We need positive outlooks.
We need people such as yourself who look for
things that unite us, not divide us. This country
has survived so many different changes over the
decades and managed quite well. We have a system
of laws that we're all expected to abide by. We have
programs that assist new comers and make them feel
welcome. What we don't need is scare-mongering,
slogans, and the politics of fear. We need leaders who
will have the spine to take on the task of education,
persuasion, and consensus-building.

Greetings to the online asylum

Loudmouth
have you even read the questions. Jayb has asked?
If you tell me they are worth answering I will do it - say it is t so

Jay of melbourne
Last time people started studying genetic codes to draw conclusions of racial superiority it resulted in a world war. That was some crazy posting. I dare you to go down a pub and repeat that crap.

Yebiga,
You really know nothing about the world do you? DNA analysis was only developed in the 1950's, the human genome project was completed in 2003 and if I'm not mistaken Britain and France started the second war in response to Germany's invasion of Poland, it had nothing to do with genetics.
New scientific discoveries normally lead to a new paradigm, the age of "common humanity" is over because DNA is revealing not only the vast differences between discrete population groups but the reasons behind the way we live, if you still want to cling to Rousseau's 18th century dogma that's your business but don't expect we modern, enlightened, open minded people to humour you.

Median IQ scores,
http://www.photius.com/rankings/national_iq_scores_country_ranks.html
Lebanon 83
Iraq 87
Jordan 84
Iran 84
Syria 83
Israel 95

IQ Classifications in Psychiatric Use
Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition (DSM-IV)
American Psychiatric Association, 1994

V62.89 Borderline Intellectual Functioning IQ 71-84
http://www.assessmentpsychology.com/iqclassifications.htm

Jayb
Your living proof that easy information is not intelligence
There are a myriad of traps for anyone attempting conduct a cross cultural IQ comparison.

I can assure that if I prepared a test for you the result would not be flattering.

But even on face value all this ranking hints at is the quality of education and its availability in each country - I would not be drawing any racial conclusions

If you exercised the slightest bit of intellectual honesty - you would have noticed how extraordinarily low India is rated

Have you met any educated Indians
They leave all of us for dead
Middle class educated Indians are extraordinary certainly nothing to do with race
Just their education system has not as yet been dumbed down

So that is another embarrassing post from you which fails the pub test

As for Rousseau he was of the enlightenment - so you moderns need to find your own appellation
I nominate post modern tribal regression

Yebiga,

Those IQ figures are controlled for things like socio economic status, in fact when data is compiled in such a way the differences appear even more stark with dirt poor eastern Europeans still out performing wealthy Arabs.
We're trying to understand why middle eastern societies are dysfunctional and backward, the root cause is biology, the people have a limited ability to understand the world around them or to forsee the consequences of their actions and so need constant supervision and a rigid system of social organisation to keep them from harming themselves and others. Islam is a good system for keeping large numbers of mentally impaired people under control, it requires them men to check in five times a day, it punishes even small misdemeanours with painful consequences and keeps both the male and female libido in check via rigid rules of social interaction between the sexes.
It doesn't break my narrative to admit that there are both intelligent and non intelligent people in every society and India is a good example of that. Ignoring the fact that there's a significant racial component to the caste system the fact remains that the educated, intelligent, high caste group has declined as a proportion of the whole since independance.
India's productive workforce is actually declining and the number of people employed in the formal, corporate sector is trivial, something like 30 million out of 1.25 billion. The Indians don't leave anyone but the substantially less capable Africans for dead in terms of intelligence and productivity and anyone who has to deal with so called "educted" Indians knows that they're way behind north Asians and Europeans.

Well jayb
Educated Indians put to shame our use of he English language
Most of them speal 3/4 language.
Next time your in a 7/11 or a petrol station and the person serving you is an Indian over the age of 40 and therefore likely to have been educated in India - try engaging them in a conversation

You will be astonished
I doubt there are many English professors in our universities with a better command of the language
Try it

Jayb
The Indian labour force is 500,000,000
52% in agriculture , 48% industry and services
The country is growing at over 6% p.a
It's high tech sector is currently the most dynamic in the world

And your IQ classification index has India in the category of semi cretinous.

See some people migh want to exercise censorship against you or as its called political correctness. Me, I defend your right to spew all the crap in your head as much as you like because you are the best comic fodder we can find.

I don't want you hiding these thoughts from us , we might mistake you for something else. Who knows what damage you could do in the shadows. But there is no mistaking
You once you start sprouting - it's joyous absolutely joyous

Love to be down the pub with you, hey jay! Tell our Indian friend here about your IQ classification.

The best thing about it, all the while, you think your making valid point after valid point

Sorry, I confess you've got me stumped.

I've been waiting for Loudmouth to give you permission to answer my Questions. He must be asleep.

I have no problem with Indian people. They, like the Dutch, can be very arrogant at times though. They are also very good at Scams, like fake marriages, fake Visa's, fake work Visa's,Rapes, etc, but yes, the Western Educated ones are extremely enlightened. They do have trouble with their Castes system, as they are very, very Caste conscious.

Strangely, there doesn't seem to be any great amount of trouble in their attitude to other Religions in the West. I mean, their not running around killing people willy nilly for the fun of it, like moslems do.

yegiba: Just their education system has not as yet been dumbed down.

Exactly. See, that's the difference between a Western Education & purely Koran Education. They knew that the Earth revolved around the Sun 4000 years ago. Unlike the teaching of Islam. I suppose you believe that the Earth was created in 7 days. We have some silly Christians like that too. Silly Religions will do that to you every time.

Hi Jayb,

Sorry, I'm not into trying to herd cats :) Go for it.

As for IQ measurements, I recall a paper comparing IQ scores of a century ago with those of today (I think the research might have been done in the Netherlands), which seemed to imply that the level of IQ, whatever it actually measured, depended greatly on the social development and education services of a country: that average IQs had increased in the Netherlands (or maybe it was Norway?) by a whole standard deviation, i.e. 15 points, in just a century.

Clearly, if this research was fair dinkum, it showed that 'intelligence' or whatever IQ measured, was very malleable: poverty-stricken children in a lousy education system, and poor employment options, can be expected to have lower IQs than comfortable children in a rigorous education system and with ambitious parents. So, it would not surprise me if young people in, say, Singapore or South Korea, had markedly higher IQs than young people in Australia.

Feed people better, provide rigorous and high-quality education, and ambitious parents, in a booming economy, and watch the IQ levels go up before your eyes, JayB.

[TBC]

[continued]

Obviously, it's far more complicated than that: there are major time-lags in improvement between a generation of parents who didn't finish primary school, and a generation which expects to go to university.

I'm just working on trying to understand this gap, in Aboriginal education from about 1950 up to the 1980s: after the War, many, many young Aboriginal people sought out regular employment in the many infrastructure projects; hard-working people, they had rarely finished primary schooling, but spread out across the rural areas, then the cities, with their families, who, for the first time, could go to standard secondary school.

But what parental advice can be given for the secondary experience and beyond, if parents themselves haven't got beyond primary school ? So, unsurprisingly, that first generation got into secondary school, sure, but 95-98 % left at 15 or 16, up until the late 1970s.

Intervention programs such as Indigenous student preparation and support programs massively kicked up the university enrolments, from dozens to thousands, in barely fifteen years, after 1977. All universities had them at one time, before the funds were diverted to the teaching of Aboriginal Culture to non-Indigenous students, over the last fifteen years.

But not before tens of thousands of Indigenous students were able to graduate: the total now is around 38,000. 50,000 by 2020. 100,000 by 2032.

So the gap between one generation 'leaving the Mission' and, two generations later, people graduating from university was forty and fifty years. Social change sometimes is a very long process. But I wouldn't mind betting that the average IQ has rocketed up in that time. Give people a chance and I'm sure that that's what would be the experience of any group in the world.


Joe

You won't get any argument from me there regarding IQ Loudmouth.

Do you think you could see you way to give yegiba permission to answer my questions. Apparently he is waiting on your say so. If that's OK with you.

I'm sure the answers will be very enlightening.

In fact, I'll make it easy for you. Just do a cut & paste & delete either Yes or no

Which ever you think is the answer.

Here are the Questions I expect an answer for, as you said you would answer if Loudmouth gave you permission;

"Do you believe the World rotate around the Sun or the Sun rotate around a stationary Earth."

Yes, it does rotate around the Sun. No, it doesn't.

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2015/02/18/12/02/saudi-cleric-rejects-widely-held-belief-that-earth-rotates-around-the-sun

Who do you believe, this learned Islamic cleric who speaks from the Koran or Western Scientists?

What about these?

What about women driving cars;

http://www.smh.com.au/world/saudi-cleric-driving-could-damage-womens-ovaries-20130930-2umzt.html#ixzz2gSTP2rVM

Does driving cars damage women's ovaries?

Yes. No.

Do you think Adultery causes earthquakes?

Fatwa from a Learned Islamic cleric in Iran.

Yes. No.

Do you think women handling Carrots, Cucumbers & Bananas leads them to commit adultery?

Fatwa from a Learned Islamic cleric in Germany.

Yes. No.

You could put me on the path to salvation if you answer these questions. You never know.

Joe,
We're talking about median IQ, that is the IQ level of the majority,as I said, there are outliers in every society, there are genius level people in every ethnic group. Immigration and colonialism favour the more intelligent over the less intelligent and of course the most intelligent people from the Third World fit right in to advanced societies.
But we're not talking about Australia or Europe, the Third World is full of functionally mentally retarded people who can't forsee the consequences of their actions, who are violent and destructive by nature and need intensive forceful, top down management just so they don't completely wreck their living spaces.
As we can see with the Lebanese in Sydney or the Africans in America importing feeble minded Third World families into advanced countries has been a costly disaster which no amount of money or education can repair.
Why is it that we can admit that there are such people in our own ethnic group yet it's upsetting to some to point out that in much of the world feeble mindedness is the norm?
Read this article, it's highly relevant to the discussion:
http://www.theage.com.au/good-weekend/meet-the-spackmans-a-family-living-with-morbid-obesity-20150220-12x3as.html
I understand that the Spackmans are most likely beyond help, that the only way to fix their problems would be to lock them up and force them to eat right and excercise, their feeble mindedness is clearly inherited and contributes to their poverty, left to their own devices they will die.

Yebiga

India's failing economy: smoke and mirrors-Raghu Kumar, RKSV
http://profit.ndtv.com/news/economy/article-indias-failing-economy-smoke-and-mirrors-370452
Why India’s Economy Is Stumbling
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/31/opinion/why-indias-economy-is-stumbling.html?_r=0
India Economic Growth: Once a Shining Economy, India is in Danger of Running Out of Gas
http://mic.com/articles/16089/india-economic-growth-once-a-shining-economy-india-is-in-danger-of-running-out-of-gas

India Graduates Millions, But Too Few Are Fit to Hire
http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/india-graduates-millions-too-few-are-fit-hire
India promises foreign universities non-profit status
http://thepienews.com/news/india-promises-foreign-universities-non-profit-status/
Why India’s universities can’t keep up with the masses
http://theconversation.com/why-indias-universities-cant-keep-up-with-the-masses-24344

This is so true;

Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Christians = No Problem
Christians living with Shinto's = No Problem
Shinto's living with Confucians = No Problem
Confucians living with Baha'is = No Problem
Baha'is living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
Sikhs live living Hindus = No Problem
Hindus live living Baha'is = No Problem
Baha'is live living Christians = No Problem
Christians living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Shinto's = No Problem
Shinto's living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem
Confucians living with Hindus = No Problem
Muslims living with Hindus = Problem
Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem
Muslims living with Christians = Problem
Muslims living with Jews = Problem
Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem
Muslims living with Baha'is = Problem
Muslims living with Shinto's = Problem
Muslims living with Atheists = Problem
Muslims living with Muslims = "BIG PROBLEM"

Jayb living with anyone = big problem
DTA baby

Hi Yebiga,

So truth and reality mean nothing to you ?

Crap Ideology = problem.

Joe

Poverty living with oppression = big problem
Imaginary friends living with imaginary friends = just funny

Sorry, Yerguga, I'm not all that bright, what on earth do you mean by that cryptic message ?

Joe

Fa god sake Joe give yegiba permission to answer my questions. Please.

yegiba: Jayb living with anyone = big problem

For you. Yes. I can see that. I've never had any problems.

yegiba: Poverty living with oppression = big problem

That a problem caused by your religion, nothing else.

Imaginary friends living with imaginary friends = just funny.

I got it Joe. I guess he is talking about allah here, when he is talking about imaginary people. If he is a people. Yep, just funny.

Just answer the questions. You are being a pain with your diversions.

Jayb
Bending the spoon is impossible
Only realise there is no spoon

Spoon = imaginary friends

Well, I must say I'm a bit miffed that you didn't give yegiba the go ahead joe. It would have been interesting to see how he would have diverted his answers.

I do believe that yegiba would have to answer "yes" to everyone of my questions. If he answered "no" he would have to glue his head to the floor for ever.

If an old goat riding, Camel train, child raping thief, 1400 years ago says the World is flat, the Sun goes around the World, Women's Ovaries rot if they drive a car, are sexually uncontrollable if they handle bananas, carrots & cucumbers & Adultery causes Earthquakes then he must be right.

The rest of the World MUST be wrong.

Well yegiba, it doesn't look like you will ever answer the Questions because you know the truth. As they say the truth hurts & you must hurt something really bad. Can't say I'm sorry.