Jayb
The Indian labour force is 500,000,000
52% in agriculture , 48% industry and services
The country is growing at over 6% p.a
It's high tech sector is currently the most dynamic in the world

And your IQ classification index has India in the category of semi cretinous.

See some people migh want to exercise censorship against you or as its called political correctness. Me, I defend your right to spew all the crap in your head as much as you like because you are the best comic fodder we can find.

I don't want you hiding these thoughts from us , we might mistake you for something else. Who knows what damage you could do in the shadows. But there is no mistaking
You once you start sprouting - it's joyous absolutely joyous

Love to be down the pub with you, hey jay! Tell our Indian friend here about your IQ classification.

The best thing about it, all the while, you think your making valid point after valid point

Sorry, I confess you've got me stumped.

I've been waiting for Loudmouth to give you permission to answer my Questions. He must be asleep.

I have no problem with Indian people. They, like the Dutch, can be very arrogant at times though. They are also very good at Scams, like fake marriages, fake Visa's, fake work Visa's,Rapes, etc, but yes, the Western Educated ones are extremely enlightened. They do have trouble with their Castes system, as they are very, very Caste conscious.

Strangely, there doesn't seem to be any great amount of trouble in their attitude to other Religions in the West. I mean, their not running around killing people willy nilly for the fun of it, like moslems do.

yegiba: Just their education system has not as yet been dumbed down.

Exactly. See, that's the difference between a Western Education & purely Koran Education. They knew that the Earth revolved around the Sun 4000 years ago. Unlike the teaching of Islam. I suppose you believe that the Earth was created in 7 days. We have some silly Christians like that too. Silly Religions will do that to you every time.

Hi Jayb,

Sorry, I'm not into trying to herd cats :) Go for it.

As for IQ measurements, I recall a paper comparing IQ scores of a century ago with those of today (I think the research might have been done in the Netherlands), which seemed to imply that the level of IQ, whatever it actually measured, depended greatly on the social development and education services of a country: that average IQs had increased in the Netherlands (or maybe it was Norway?) by a whole standard deviation, i.e. 15 points, in just a century.

Clearly, if this research was fair dinkum, it showed that 'intelligence' or whatever IQ measured, was very malleable: poverty-stricken children in a lousy education system, and poor employment options, can be expected to have lower IQs than comfortable children in a rigorous education system and with ambitious parents. So, it would not surprise me if young people in, say, Singapore or South Korea, had markedly higher IQs than young people in Australia.

Feed people better, provide rigorous and high-quality education, and ambitious parents, in a booming economy, and watch the IQ levels go up before your eyes, JayB.

[TBC]

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Obviously, it's far more complicated than that: there are major time-lags in improvement between a generation of parents who didn't finish primary school, and a generation which expects to go to university.

I'm just working on trying to understand this gap, in Aboriginal education from about 1950 up to the 1980s: after the War, many, many young Aboriginal people sought out regular employment in the many infrastructure projects; hard-working people, they had rarely finished primary schooling, but spread out across the rural areas, then the cities, with their families, who, for the first time, could go to standard secondary school.

But what parental advice can be given for the secondary experience and beyond, if parents themselves haven't got beyond primary school ? So, unsurprisingly, that first generation got into secondary school, sure, but 95-98 % left at 15 or 16, up until the late 1970s.

Intervention programs such as Indigenous student preparation and support programs massively kicked up the university enrolments, from dozens to thousands, in barely fifteen years, after 1977. All universities had them at one time, before the funds were diverted to the teaching of Aboriginal Culture to non-Indigenous students, over the last fifteen years.

But not before tens of thousands of Indigenous students were able to graduate: the total now is around 38,000. 50,000 by 2020. 100,000 by 2032.

So the gap between one generation 'leaving the Mission' and, two generations later, people graduating from university was forty and fifty years. Social change sometimes is a very long process. But I wouldn't mind betting that the average IQ has rocketed up in that time. Give people a chance and I'm sure that that's what would be the experience of any group in the world.


Joe

You won't get any argument from me there regarding IQ Loudmouth.

Do you think you could see you way to give yegiba permission to answer my questions. Apparently he is waiting on your say so. If that's OK with you.

I'm sure the answers will be very enlightening.

In fact, I'll make it easy for you. Just do a cut & paste & delete either Yes or no

Which ever you think is the answer.

Here are the Questions I expect an answer for, as you said you would answer if Loudmouth gave you permission;

"Do you believe the World rotate around the Sun or the Sun rotate around a stationary Earth."

Yes, it does rotate around the Sun. No, it doesn't.

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2015/02/18/12/02/saudi-cleric-rejects-widely-held-belief-that-earth-rotates-around-the-sun

Who do you believe, this learned Islamic cleric who speaks from the Koran or Western Scientists?

What about these?

What about women driving cars;

http://www.smh.com.au/world/saudi-cleric-driving-could-damage-womens-ovaries-20130930-2umzt.html#ixzz2gSTP2rVM

Does driving cars damage women's ovaries?

Yes. No.

Do you think Adultery causes earthquakes?

Fatwa from a Learned Islamic cleric in Iran.

Yes. No.

Do you think women handling Carrots, Cucumbers & Bananas leads them to commit adultery?

Fatwa from a Learned Islamic cleric in Germany.

Yes. No.

You could put me on the path to salvation if you answer these questions. You never know.

Joe,
We're talking about median IQ, that is the IQ level of the majority,as I said, there are outliers in every society, there are genius level people in every ethnic group. Immigration and colonialism favour the more intelligent over the less intelligent and of course the most intelligent people from the Third World fit right in to advanced societies.
But we're not talking about Australia or Europe, the Third World is full of functionally mentally retarded people who can't forsee the consequences of their actions, who are violent and destructive by nature and need intensive forceful, top down management just so they don't completely wreck their living spaces.
As we can see with the Lebanese in Sydney or the Africans in America importing feeble minded Third World families into advanced countries has been a costly disaster which no amount of money or education can repair.
Why is it that we can admit that there are such people in our own ethnic group yet it's upsetting to some to point out that in much of the world feeble mindedness is the norm?
Read this article, it's highly relevant to the discussion:
http://www.theage.com.au/good-weekend/meet-the-spackmans-a-family-living-with-morbid-obesity-20150220-12x3as.html
I understand that the Spackmans are most likely beyond help, that the only way to fix their problems would be to lock them up and force them to eat right and excercise, their feeble mindedness is clearly inherited and contributes to their poverty, left to their own devices they will die.