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Climate change and the environment - we must act now

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"The media 'doesn't believe in facts', but the internet will come to the planet's rescue" according to 2013 Google chairman Eric Schmidt.

So I was surprised to read a story on a 2015 report re climate change put out by the CSIRO and Australian Bureau of Meteorology at:

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/south-australia-to-get-much-hotter-drier-new-climate-change-report-reveals/story-fni6uo1m-1227198291102

Considering the Federal Government has said it will "rely" on information from the Bureau of Meteorology re climate change - we must act now.

Also to those who think that toxically polluting the planet is O.K - they can also pay for the damage - financially.
Posted by NathanJ, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 8:49:18 PM
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Australia is on course to experience some of the world's most extreme temperature increases as well as more torrential rain and increased flooding, a new report shows.
In a climate report claiming to be the nation's most comprehensive ever produced, the CSIRO and Bureau of Meteorology on Tuesday released data showing Australia could be on track for an average temperature increase of up to five degrees Celsius by the end of the century
Repealing the carbon price
Winding back, freezing or abolishing the renewable energy target
Abolishing the Climate Commission
Attempting to abolish the Clean Energy Finance Corporation and the Renewable Energy Agency
Keeping fossil fuel subsidies
Wrecking the Great Barrier Reef
Tearing up the Tasmanian forest deal and attempting to de-list the Tasmanian World Heritage forests
Reviewing the marine national reserves
Attempting to handover environmental powers to the states
Defunding the environmental defenders office
Creating an unsafe and underpaid "green army"
We have gone back in time on the back of the Abbott and Credlin partenership.
Posted by 579, Wednesday, 28 January 2015 12:24:31 PM
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Hi NathanJ,

I’m so impressed with your article that I’ve discussed it with a few of my friends who are “skeptical” of CAGW. The points you make are so important to the well being of our grandchildren that your voice must be heard by a wider audience.

I have to admit that some of your points have met with some degree of skepticism and I was wondering if you could help out on a couple of matters?

Firstly, you quote that "The media doesn't believe in facts”. Given that most of our media is fully supportive of CAGW, I’ve had real difficulty convincing my friends otherwise. They say who in the media is not convinced of CAGW?

Then we have the “facts” from the CSIRO and BoM. My difficulty is that this report clearly states that these are not facts, they are more “climate change projections for Australia”, I was wondering if you can point to something that is not a “projection”? The issue seems to be that projections from the IPCC and every other CAGW “report” are based on “projections” that have never eventuated, can you help with something based on Empirical Evidence?

You say that the current government has stated that it will “rely” on “information from the Bureau of Meteorology re climate change”. Can you please provide links to such comments as I can’t actually find such quotes to counter my skeptical friends.

I know that this might be difficult however, you say that for skeptics “toxically polluting the planet is O.K”. You are so right however, can you point to a link, research or opinion that says CO2 is anything other than an inert, colorless gas that provides food for almost every living organism on the planet? I know Nathan, this is a difficult one but my friends do have a point that I must answer.

Cont’d
Posted by spindoc, Wednesday, 28 January 2015 1:54:56 PM
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Cont’d

My last point is quite difficult. You hit the nail on the head when you speak of Skeptics “paying for the damage”. Couldn’t agree more, and someone must pay for the damage to society. I was just wondering how we might counter the argument that the EU alone has sucked over $1.0 Trillion out of taxpayers on Green initiatives since 2008? Should we get the CAGW alarmists to pay their debt to society before we even consider costing the damage caused by skeptics who have not yet actually cost society anything?

You are truly a star advocate of all things CAGW, your incisive analysis, research and factual evidence is a model for those who avoid facts, you bring it right into the faces of skeptics and challenge them with a compelling case for pure, unadulterated alarmism.

We need more like you because without you, the case for CAGW might convince skeptics to top themselves.

Keep up the good work and please don’t delay in getting back to me with the answers to my questions.
Posted by spindoc, Wednesday, 28 January 2015 1:56:15 PM
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Looking at numerous other scares by the warmist industry that have proven to be laugable obviously does not count as science. The daily healines of heat in the summer and cold in the winter continues to feed the gullible. Has the oil run out yet folks? Oh that's right that was suppose to happen 15 years ago. Don't forget the warming is now hiding in the ocean. What a joke.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 28 January 2015 3:03:11 PM
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I thought you might be interested in my experience with weather bureau forecasting.

It was 1985 or 6, & I was running the marine division for South Mole Island in the Whitsundays. It was stores day, when our 90Ft barge loaded fuel, our freezer truck & our major order of stores for the week.

We had been watching a cyclone out in the Coral Sea for a few days, but at 5.00 AM the forecast was it would not affect us in the next 48 hours. The island powerhouse was getting low on diesel so at 6.00 AM I confirmed with the MacKay fuel supplier to send 15,000 gallons of diesel, 5,000 of petrol, & 1,000 of two stroke mix up on the tanker.

I sent the two large boats 29 & 24 metre International catamarans, off to our cyclone bolt hole on the mainland, & arranged for their families to go to a large high safe home that night. I kept the 60Ft island ferry out, as the resort requested 3 departures at 8.00 AM, midday & 4.00 PM for any guests who wanted off the island. It would take its chances at Shute harbour, as would the barge, after getting the supplies to the island.

9 AM the ferry is back, & the barge is at the jetty, pumping diesel ashore, & unloading stores. The wind is up, & it’s getting a bit rough at the jetty. The bureau correct their forecast, we have only 24 hours before the cyclone reaches us.
Continued
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 28 January 2015 4:09:19 PM
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