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Hunting - With Firearms or Bows; Is it still a moral pursuit in 2015 ?
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Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 7:31:35 AM
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That lying Greens'post is still up,
maybe they're saving it for the NSW election, those that vote Green will believe it.... they'd believe anything. Bye the way, Paul, have you found any lies that the Shooters' and Fishers' Party MPs have told, especially those told under the protection of Parliamentary Privilege'? Or are lies told in Parliament just press releases? I'm also at a loss to understand why the Greens oppose Aboriginal people hunting on their own land, sounds racist to me. Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 10:19:39 AM
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Is Mise, again you muddy the waters, inferring the only way to control wild dogs is through shooting. In fact baiting is the preferred option.
David Worsley, a sheep and cattle farmer from the Northern Tablelands, said baiting programs were "absolutely essential," as trapping and shooting were a less effective means of culling on large properties. "I think I've only seen two wild dogs in my life for all the animals I've lost," he said. Mr Worsley said he had lost as many as 300 sheep in one year to wild dog attacks, and often up to 14 sheep a night during a bad period." This is not at loggerheads with Greens policy, in fact it endorses it, without any support for an increase in firearms as per yours and the Shooters ideas. http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/allout-offensive-launched-against-wild-dogs-in-regional-and-rural-nsw-20141022-119x6r.html Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 10:29:01 AM
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Paul,
It is thee that mudieth the waters. All of your quotes above were supplied by me. I thought that the Greens were all in favour of humane ways to control wild dogs, baiting is not humane, far from it. However I'm glad that you have finally discovered that wild dogs exist and that they are a problem. Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 10:38:44 AM
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Constantly amazed at the gall of the Greens in denying their political interference and gameplaying have not contributed to problems for farmers, in this case the explosion in the numbers of wild dogs.
Of all of the Greens factions and there are almost as many factions as members, the Greens' 'Watermelon' faction would have to be the wedge that is furthermost from the original environmentally conscious Greens. The previous 'Dear Leader' of the Greens and hopeful first President of the proposed New World Order, Bob Brown, was forever trying to pull the NSW 'Watermelon' Greens and the awful Lee Rhiannon into line but never succeeded. Contrary to what Paul1405 is saying (and apparently Paul is not as far in the NSW Greens loop as he might pretend to be because 'that' lie against the NSW Police Commissioner and his police force is still up on the Greens site), the sustained pressure from shooting is effective in controlling all sorts of ferals, including dogs. Shooting was always vital to removing the seriously damaging killer dogs and packs. Never having ventured into the country except to stir the possum, the Greens would not know this. But then the Greens are very casual where facts are concerned, as demonstrated by their persistence in displaying wrong accusations against the NSW Police Commissioner (see previous posts). Some recreational hunters trap as well, which is a bonus. The problem is of course that the low rent NSW Greens have done deals to knobble the hereto successful Games Council and its recreational hunters. Now the dogs are out of control and the contract chopper baiters will make a killing in more ways than one. to be continued.. Posted by onthebeach, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 1:10:27 PM
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continued..
Can the environmentally risky and inhuman 1080 aerial baiting and trapping contractors employed at huge cost to taxpayers be effective alone in controlling the high risk dogs and packs? Apparently not, as most farmers and authorities (without a politically skewed line to serve) would readily concede. See here, <Wild dog baiting 'not working' A drover moving cattle in western Queensland says there needs to be tougher regulations on the use of 1080 baits to control wild dogs.. "I'm now 54-years-old and my dogs are still dying of 1080 and the dingoes are out of control - that is telling me the stuff is not working.".. Barcaldine Mayor Rob Chandler says domestic dogs picking up poisoned baits is unfortunate. He says a wild dog bounty should be considered in light of the growing wild dog population and the problems associated with 1080 baits. "Domestic dogs are being killed quite regularly by the spreading of 1080 baits and unfortunately that is just a side effect of blanket baiting to try and control wild dogs," he said.. "If we throw out collectively across Queensland probably 100 tonne of 1080, and the dog problem is getting worse, maybe we need to look at a bounty system that is right across the state - from north, to east, to south and west - right into those communities around Toowoomba and places like that."> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-11-07/wild-dog-baiting-not-working/3638930 1080 drops used to be restricted to problem areas. Now the effects of the 'perfect storm' of ill-conceived 'gun control' and opportunist troublemaking by keyboard greens and other serial activists have resulted in the explosion in the numbers of certain feral animals, especially dogs - as exampled by the growing problem of wild dogs on nesting turtles in North Queensland. The problem with the Greens and other activists is that they are never caused to own the unforeseen negative consequences of their activism. It is all 'La, la, la, you are talking to my hand' from the serial activists who are adept at manipulating naive, more likely lazy, journalists. Posted by onthebeach, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 1:32:15 PM
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"1 What is the Shooters Party NSW definition of "genuine reason" as it relates to their stated policy?"
[Probably 'Self protection'; look at their website].
"2 What is the Shooters Party NSW definition of a "firearm". as it relates to their stated policy?"
[again ,whatever is allowed by law; look at their website].
"3. Given the implementation of the entire Shooters Parties NSW policy on firearms, how many additional firearms does the Shooters Party envisage would be added to the NSW community by that policy?"
[your guess is as good as mine, but as many thousands of people already have firearms, probably not as many as you might fear].
I'm waiting for your 'humourous' take on wild dogs; have you taken it on board yet that they exist and that they are a problem?
Have you ever seen a sheep with its guts ripped out Paul?
Have you ever washed the dirt and sheep dung off intact intestines, shoved them back into the sheep and then stitched up the belly slash, without the aid of anesthetic?
Crude medical practice however when needs must.
Can't do much for a slashed throat, the blood loss is usually to great.
Then there is lambing time when dogs and foxes eat the new born lambs and then rip into the ewe's vagina and tear out the birth canal from the living animal, the prize, apparently, is the placenta.
Look it up on Google, you might get a few ideas for a joke or two.