Paul1405,

You are all over the place but you still haven't replied to that question: "Why would the Greens deliberately promote false information on their site? A lie that disgraces the NSW Police Commissioner and the NSW police?"

So much for the credibility and ethics of Greens' Shoebridge and the Greens!

Given a comparison between Australia and the United States with the United States having far softer gun control laws than we have here. Based on deaths per 100,000 of population, homicides, the US rate is 25 times greater than Australia 2,83 per 100,000 compared to 0.11 for Australia. Suicide by firearm is 10 times greater in the US than Australia 6.30/100,000 compared to 0.62.
I forgot, Beach will tell us its all the Black peoples fault. A white country with a black population is Canada. Again with tougher gun laws the Canadians come out on top 0.51 for homicides and 1.60 for suicides. Take a US state with around 3% black population, similar to Canada, New Mexico where gun murders are still over 6 times higher than Canada's at a rate of 3.3 per 100,000 of population.

ONTHEBEACH...

You say F/A's have been a part of the Aussie culture for 'yonks' ? That may well be true - and by the way it's simply NOT my reasoning OK ! It's an undeniable fact ! Our society is like a movable feast it's changing with many more ethnic groups living amongst us, and with some of those group a F/A is as part of their culture as a schooner is part of ours ! Registered...NEVER ! No longer do police have the real 'hard' presence on the streets, where once they did !

In fact the police force is partly comprised of people under 5'6" who are politically correct, smooth talking graduates, who are fast tracked up the investigative tree ! The old 21 Div. closed! The SWOS team closed! The TRG closed! The magnificent 'Consorting' Squad, closed! The old 'Armed Offenders' Squad closed! Now they have some 'hairy fairy' bloody group which is a cross between the old SWOS and TRG 'pasted together' with 'politically correct' and 'recyclable' celotape !

And the whinging public 'squawking' about their F/A rights when the coppers are barely able to hold this city together!!
From ethnic gangs! Bikie gangs! Islamic gangs! and now this ISIL stuff! Mate, you'll be damn lucky if this city remains even recognisable, in 25 - 50 years hence !!

There are suburbs where some coppers are too intimidated to venture! The bikies rule some places at night, despite what the coppers do! The 'the 1%ers' have briefed leading Silks, (and they have the cash to do so!) to ensure the coppers don't step a 1/2" over the legal line! Years ago, we'd take em'on and move em' out whenever we choose to do so ! You see, we (the coppers) owned the streets, both day and night, not the ethnic gangs and criminal scrum!

So ONTHEBEACH best you check your facts before shooting from the hip !Talking about, the 'what's' and 'maybe's', to do with F/A's !

Paul,

Like all Greens you are out of touch with reality.

Wild dogs are a fact of life in country areas:

"TWO wild dog attacks in three days have all but wiped out an Eatonsville family's flock of sheep.

Tac and Lyn Campbell woke to the throaty barks of their flock's guardian dog Tiny about 12.30am on Sunday.

Racing out to the paddock near the house the couple saw four to five dogs attacking their sheep, with Tiny trying desperately to chase them off.

Mr Campbell shot and killed one of the dogs and believes he might have mortally wounded another.

They weren't killing for food, they had a lust for blood and wanted to kill anything they could [this is a feature of wild dog attacks, Paul, sheep left treading on their own intestines]
In the attack, eight sheep were killed, or so badly injured they had to be destroyed

Mr Campbell said the dogs returned a few hours later and he and his wife heard Tiny barking again.

At first light when he was patrolling his property Mr Campbell saw three dogs running away, but could not get a clear shot at them."

This was on a small property imagine what goes on on larger properties.
http://www.echonews.com.au/news/wild-dogs-on-killing-frenzy/1778704/

or consider, at your leisure, this snippet from the SMH

"....David Worsley, a sheep and cattle farmer from the Northern Tablelands, said baiting programs were "absolutely essential," as trapping and shooting were a less effective means of culling on large properties.

"I think I've only seen two wild dogs in my life for all the animals I've lost," he said.

Mr Worsley said he had lost as many as 300 sheep in one year to wild dog attacks, and often up to 14 sheep a night during a bad period.

"More often than not you have to actually euthanase the animals, rather than finding them dead," he said.

"You know before you get anywhere near [the sheep] you know it's going to have its back leg missing or its kidneys eaten.

"It's one of those absolutely gut wrenching things. Mentally it can be extremely hard on you."

Local Land Services will partner with 62 wild dog control groups to lay 240,000 baits across 765,00 hectares in the Central West, the greater Sydney area and the Riverina and Hunter regions.

Aerial baiting will be used to cover a further 4400 kilometres across more remote parts of NSW, including the vast West region where wild dogs problems have reappeared for the first time in generations.

"People who didn't know what a dog problem was are now faced with issues their fathers hadn't seen," Dr Peter Fleming, research scientist with the Department of Primary Industries, said.

Dr Fleming said the baiting program would likely be beneficial to native animals.

"The dogs are a predator of [native] wildlife," he said, "and there are indications that where you control dogs you get increases in things like brush-tail rock-wallabies."

A spokesperson for RSPCA NSW said wild pest management should be balanced with the "continuing need to improve current control methods or replace them with more humane and effective alternatives".

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/allout-offensive-launched-against-wild-dogs-in-regional-and-rural-nsw-20141022-119x6r.html
The RSPCA is so far out of touch as to be off the field entirely.

o sung wu,

I disagree with the many thousands of lawful-abiding, licensed persons being conflated with the lawless and nasties of society.

As well, I disagree with those thousands of law-abiding licensed damned good citizens, people the police themselves rely on for support and information, being listed as 'persons of interest' on police computers. That is with the negative stereotyping and inevitable police attitude change to those citizens that the listing results in.

I disagree with random police visits (with fully marked vehicles in driveways!) and inspections in the homes of those thousands of law-abiding, licensed citizens.

In fact there is very good reason to say that the interests behind such initiatives have something very different in mind than reducing offending. For starters, the same interests would have a fit and be screaming in rage at any perceived violation of the rights of offenders, no matter how minor.

Allow me to give an example, there is no doubt whatsoever that indigenous rank high in the number of incidents of serious domestic violence, and Middle Eastern gangs are implicated in drive-by shootings. Imagine the righteous indignation and frothing rage if all members of either group were accordingly put on police computers as 'persons of interest'. It would be stupid to do so anyhow. No-one is saying that their ethnicity is a risk that police must be informed of before going to their homes.

On the other hand the possession of a firearms licence be red-tagged on screens in patrol cars. What is that saying to police, why? How is it relevant? In fact the person has a very low risk of ever committing an offence, including jay walking.

It seems to me that my taxes are being wasted having all of those police leaning over the shoulders of the only people apart from themselves presumably, that police can rely on NOT to commit a crime.
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