Runner, you post makes no sense. What is the point you are trying to make?

Pesky Boy,

Runner, you post makes no sense. What is the point you are trying to make?

take at least 30 seconds to think before hitting the keyboard. My point is very obvious.

Actually it's not obvious. Now, will you please explain your post. Thank you.

AJ - fair points. I don't claim to understand quantum physics but I was sharing what I've gleaned from various sources. I'm not really trying to shoehorn god into science nor do I understand why some feel the two are mutually exclusive. I find it all fascinating and I enjoy the discussion.

Pesky, I'm not sure if you were including me in the comment "It's revealing to note that most of us here in this discussion appear to think "the point of it all" revolves around our particular species" but it does appear you included yourself. I never made such a claim and certainly didn't mean to. For all I know, humans might be a genetically engineered species created by aliens who flew here from the constellation of Orion.

The universe has been around a very long time and there is a very good chance we are not the only intelligent or self aware beings. Our lifespan is a blink in time and our size is that of a germ in the grander scale of things. To some that may seem depressing, I find it very exciting.

Cheers

Conservativehippie, why do you say "it does appear you included yourself"? I am most certainly not included, as I don't assert our species is the centre of the "point of it all". Over the next 100,000 or so years I suspect mankind will discover empirical evidence for hundreds of different types of civilizations elsewhere, plus dozens of thousands of instances of microscopic life elsewhere. There's billions of galaxies and likely billions of similar and dissimilar universes, and the belief that we're alone and 'special' amongst all this is ludicrous.

The fact is that spirituality and religions are not superior insights into 'the point of it all', although of course true believers 'believe' it to be so. Such belief shows the primitive stage of development that our species is currently at. The entirety of mankind is currently at a very primitive intellectual level.

Real science has only just begun, and what we currently know is about one billionth of what we'll know in 20,000 years. Then they'll look back at us in this century with horror and pity, regarding our ignorance and primitive intellectual capacities.

So, what can we currently do discern "the point of it all"? Nothing, other than to continue to slowly advance mankind's knowledge, in the hope that in 100,000 years we'll have a decent insight into factual reality.

Hi there RUNNER...

Thanks for your response - In part you ask, '...How on earth do you conclude wars are wrong...' ? In answer to you RUNNER, in some instances wars are both unavoidable,legitimate and wholly necessary, in order to interdict an evil influence. However, notwithstanding how morally justified a war may be, it's always the innocents who suffer the most, and that's just plain wrong ! If God permits any war to be waged, knowing that many innocent people will be subjected to incalculable suffering, then he's obviously wrong as well ? Runner, surely you can see my bewilderment and confusion in this issue ?

G'day ONTHEBEACH...

Gee, you've given me a bit of a 'serve' there ol' man, probably well deserved ! But to be candid with you, I'm not actually in the grips of sustained melancholy, nor complaining of my lot in life, rather I'm merely asking why, why are we here at all, amid all the misery and chaos ? Perhaps I gave the impression that I was wallowing in my beer or something ?

No not really, I guess it's more the case of a theosophical or philosophical discussion, probably generated by a recent very sad event that's personally touched me ? Otherwise, compared to many, I've had a positively charmed life. I do sometimes wonder though, why me, and not the poor blighter who's endlessly fossicking for sustenance amid the piles of detritus of that Indian rubbish dump of which you'd referred ?

That said, I would claim some 'supplemental' knowledge of suburban misery if you like. I suppose over 32 years in the coppers, one can't help but see a fair bit more. Still and all that credo, the more you see it, doesn't necessarily 'environmentally inoculate' you against 'feeling compassion' for people who're trapped in a life of domestic wretchedness, no matter how tough a copper reckons he may be.

Anyway RUNNER, I taken on board everything you've said, and I'm in complete agreement with you my friend. I believe you to be a very compassionate bloke too, for what it's worth.