May May,

"....The post written by Graham Y concerns me, as it shows a propensity for censorship based on ideological/political grounds...."

Which political grounds?

Graham wrote:

"This is the first post on MH17 coming from this direction that I have let through. Previous ones have not been approved as they were too close to the event and would have been offensive to a lot of people. This post is still offensive in that sense, but people are probably now less sensitised."

Look, none of here have definate facts, but there are a few undisputed bits of information.
First, the Rebels said a Ukrainian fighter was following the airliner.
Part of the fuselage on the ground was shown on TV with numerous holes under the
port side cockpit windows.
A fighter damage from behind would not be there.
With the damage where it is, it is consistent with damage from a missile launched from ahead
and to the left of the aircraft course.

That is about all we here know but it is substantial as far as it goes.
I don't believe it was a definite action by the Russians but a blunder by the rebels
who were not properly trained.

Abbott and Bishop have acted on the International stage as strong leaders.
The comment on "shirtfronting" Putin has lost me and perhaps his international standing.
The comment in the Domestic Violence world would be reasonable.
The only accident report from the Dutch seem to indicate numerous small holes in the fuselage.
This would point to a fighter plane shooting down MH17 possibly Ukraine,not the Russian missile as Australia and US intelligence keep saying.

I strongly disagree with Graham's view of putin being responsible for mh17. Aust investigators have been stopped by the Ukrainian govt from doing their job. Again no black boxes found.wreckage has strong evidence of shell fire from fighter jet cannon fire and not missiles from Russian supported rebels.abbott has accused Putin of being guilty with no hard or even circumstantial evidence.

Brock, the holes are under the cockpit windows.
There would of course be many other holes elsewhere.
ARjay, the black boxes, actually orange, were found.

May may, with a statement like that about a ford,likening it to a missile, perhaps it is best you move on.