Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
I have an open mind on the M17 disaster.
All evidence should be considered.
http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/07/25/mh17-verdict-real-evidence-points-to-us-kiev-cover-up-of-failed-false-flag-attack/

One thing is for sure.
There are thousands of people now dying due to staple fish supply devastation and protein deficiency malnutrition linked to non communicable disease in the Pacific Islands off Australia's shores.
Eight out of 10 deaths are due to NCD.

As a barometer of devastated Pacific fish populations, millions of emaciated mutton birds arriving on the Queensland coast from Russian waters of the Bering Sea, have been found dead along coast extending from Mackay Queensland to South Australia and around Tasmania.

Russian leader Putin and Australian leader Abbott should be engaging in teamwork to find solutions to the environment and social and economic impact of seafood devastation, involving collapse of world ocean and river seafood sustainability.

Million of people cannopt afford aquaculture and other white meat. Fish used to be free and without cost of production.

All nations should work together in union instead of engaging in unsubstantiated accusations.

ISIS could even be asked for a ceasefire until Ebola is brought under control.

Million of island and river people dependent on fish now need employment and income to buy alternative essential protein that cannot come from gardens impacted by drought or constant tropical rain, cyclones and storms.

The Ebola River should become quickly understood because increase in disease in the Pacific is heading the same way due to poverty and chronic malnutrition that causes breakdown of the human immune system.
http://www.unicef.org/media/media_75860.html
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_issues_in_the_Democratic_Republic_of_Congo

Both Mr Abbott and Mr Putin and all Australian news media should look into economics of collapse of health and peace and security in the Pacific.
Instead of making accusations.
Until whoever is proven guilty.

This is a curly one, and depends extremely strongly on the so called "evidence".

Fortunately we are not so dependant on the media outlets, whether it be the airwaves or paper for news facts, details. We now have the internet which can make "fact checking" perhaps a little more detailed.

The media outlets often presented the "facts or evidence" in a certain way to manipulate the viewer /listener or reader. However the internet also has it's manipulators and conspiracy theories. Where the spin on "evidence" is also made.

A recent program on Air Crash investigators showed how certain important "details" can be left out of investigative proceedings in order to find no one culpable for bringing an civilian aircraft down.

So what are the real facts, when some of those facts maybe deliberately hidden or distorted?

Yes, what are the real facts. Should PM Abbott back off or not?

It appears Ukraine also has the same type of Russian made missile system said to have been used to hit M17.
But would eastern Ukraine rebels know how to operate such a high tech system CAPTURED from the Ukrainian army?

Note the following cut and pasted excerpt (from BBC Trending):

But the social media story really begins almost three weeks ago, on 29 June. Back then, a key Twitter account used by pro-Russian separatists in Ukraine claimed that they had captured a Buk surface-to-air missile system from the Ukrainian army. The tweet has since been deleted, according to BBC Monitoring. But this matters because Ukrainian officials later claimed that a Buk may have been used to shoot down the Malaysian Airlines plane.

From here: http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-28371461

Google: M17 passenger oxygen mask.

Media is now claiming most Australian's do not want Mr Putin in Australia, however most Australians are not being told of doubt that exists about who is actually responsible for shooting down the M17.
Have Australian's been told Ukraine has the same missile system, or not?

Perhaps Australian Prime Minister Abbott is being misled, by being under-informed of actual facts.
Certainly the Australian public is being misled.
Perhaps unity and teamwork among leaders would be a good idea.

The following link indicates it is fact that Ukraine has the same type of missile system that eastern Ukraine separatist rebels are accused of using after being supplied by Russian leader Putin.

It looks like the Buk missile systems are all over the place.
Quote:
"After the fall of the Soviet Union, all those systems remained in Ukraine and today Kiev possesses no less than 70 such systems, RIA Novosti’s source said."
http://rt.com/news/194848-mh17-ukrainian-missile-buk/

Or Google: Ukraine Buk missile system.

I think Russian leader Putin should be welcomed to attend the G20 economic summit in Brisbane and I think media should investigate and report whether that summit must address economic solutions to world ocean and river fish devastation now linked to worsening poverty and malnutrition and disease worldwide.

The situation is not limited to who shot down MH17 it also consists on who is invading a sovereign nation. Who is the bully? Is such behaviour acceptable in a modern civilization?

Robert, the only statement I heard was that Russia supplied the weapons. They didn't fire them.

It's pretty obvious the plane was shot down and I'm sure the families of this victims don't really care what weapon was used, because all they know is that their loved ones were murdered and no one (except for Tony Abbott) seems to care.