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We can stop FGM in Australia.
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Posted by Banjo, Monday, 6 October 2014 11:54:17 AM
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Banjo, yes FGM is horrible.
When are you planning to start a thread on MGM? Or is the real reason you started this FGM thread not because it's a despicable act and you feel "genuine" empathy towards the victims, but because you associate it with Islam and non white people? And this gives you the chance to attack the people you hate, Aussie Muslims and non white people. I clicked on your name and read a few posts from your history; yes, you must feel very alone now that the White Australia policy has long passed. Banjo, please hurry up with the MGM thread. Posted by May May, Monday, 6 October 2014 11:55:47 AM
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Dear Banjo,
It is indeed your monthly call to arms but in celebration of the fact you haven't mentioned Islam or Muslims permit me to contribute this perspective. I am grateful that Australia is providing a place where migrants have a chance to untangle themselves from this insidious cultural practice. Norwegian research has shown FGM rates drop dramatically in subsequent generations of migrants and the fact that we are prepared to take refugees from places like Eritrea where FGM rates are nearly 90% means we will have helped saved thousands of women from this practice, something we should be justly proud of. Quote; Somali interviewees in Norway indicated that they were removed from the social pressure to undertake FGM/C which exists in Somalia (Gele et al 2012a). They expressed that individuals in both communities may dislike FGM/C, but those in Somalia are more likely to undergo the practice as there is considerable pressure to do so. In Norway, it is a matter of pride and prestige to be uncircumcised, with no stigma. Without the surrounding stigma, potential teasing and majoritarian pressure, parents felt more able to leave their daughters uncut. Younger Somali men in Oslo all said they would prefer to marry uncircumcised Somali girls (Gele 2012a). This is a strong condition for change, as if uncut girls are seen as marriageable, parents are unlikely to want to circumcise them. Similarly, much of the literature stresses that second-generation immigrant girls can be subjected to FGM/C when taken to home countries on holiday. First-generation Somali immigrant mothers in Norway reported feeling fearful that their own mothers would pressure them into circumcising their daughters (Gele, 2012a). Londoners from Sudan, Eritrea and Somalia agreed that parents in the UK felt less pressure to circumcise their daughters, especially being removed from extended family, particularly grandmothers (Norman, et al. 2009). Grandmothers’ decisions are powerful in Somalia and they carry considerable importance (Gele, 2012a). Being further away from family can help diaspora members resist pressures to behave in a certain way (Johnsdotter et al, 2008). http://www.gsdrc.org/docs/open/HDQ1108.pdf Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 6 October 2014 11:59:30 AM
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May May,
MGM can be a desirable state to be in, I have never met a man who missed having a foreskin but I have known a few who in later life (relative to the usual time of snipping), i.e. twenties, who had to have it removed or cut back, for medical reasons, and they were 100% in favour. Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 6 October 2014 12:06:12 PM
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Is Mise, here's a lengthy and complicated medical analysis of the MANY complications of circumcision (MGM) http://www.circumstitions.com/Complic.html
MGM is an unnatural and hideous mutilation based on ancient, superstitious religion, that has found it's way into general society of "some" nations. The incidence of MGM has been declining rapidly in Australia over the past few decades, and rightly so. FGM is a much more serious mutilation, because the clitoris is removed. This fact does not mitigate the serious nature of MGM. Posted by May May, Monday, 6 October 2014 12:25:05 PM
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May May,
"MGM is an unnatural and hideous mutilation based on ancient, superstitious religion, that has found it's way into general society of "some" nations. The incidence of MGM has been declining rapidly in Australia over the past few decades, and rightly so." It is certainly unnatural,but then so many of the things that humans do to their bodies are unnatural. I admit to an unnatural practice a few times each week myself, but only in private. Circumcision of males is not a hideous mutilation; from personal experience no woman has ever found my penis to be hideous, other adjectives of a positive nature have been used however. The circumcised member is considered to be more aesthetic and that is why circumcised men gain more employment in the porn industry than do the untrimmed, or so I'm told but this may not be so. https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110215232916AAnH0ub Anyway the practice in no way compares to FGM. My experience of the cut and the uncut is restricted (apart from personal experience) to the problems faced by men under service conditions especially where washing facilities were non-existent. Some Aboriginal Australians practiced circumcision and their practices are not necessarily based on ancient superstitions but may be based on practicality in both desert and tropical conditions and incision of almost the complete length of the urethra may (but only may) be based on a desire to limit conceptions. Without a written history it is impossible to tell as the practices are presumed to be very old. http://www.circumstitions.com/Australia.html Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 6 October 2014 3:20:08 PM
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Off topic but I saw this and thought it may interest you.
http://www.frasercoastchronicle.com.au/news/Howard-bikerider-pedals-theory-police/2408449/