Just posted this to the wrong thread.

Dear o sung wu,

You have given me a good chuckle.

A few weeks back on another thread you put to me the following;

“Another matter STEELEREDUX, by employing insulting, offensive, and disparaging language, in order to offend BANJO and others herein, simply because they dare disagree with your somewhat perverted and prejudiced views, is quite deplorable, thus rendering you as an arrogant and imperious individual!”
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6547#195909

I challenged you to show me where I had used “insulting, offensive, and disparaging language” and you declined to reply.

This I know is an absolute fact, whatever I may have said doesn't come within a bull's roar of what you have dished out on this thread.

Here are a few examples;

“And those 'Lefties' the likes of this MAY MAY and PAUL1405 make me absolutely nauseous with their nonsensical tripe ! Australia unfortunately has more than their fair share of cowards and pretenders, we really need no more ?”

“Aka - the crooks friend !”

“ PAUL1405 and his miserable cohorts would be out demonstrating 'again' as 'consciences objectors'. What sickening, useless human beings, his and his kind are !”

“other pallid, inane members of the confused 'Left' all of whom are too busy attempting to secure their next taxpayer funded allowance ?”

“greasing their sweaty little plams(sic) with taxpayer's money.”

So my friend please don't ever accuse me in your pious manner about being rude or disrespectful to other forum contributors. You sir have most emphatically permanently lost that right. Further, hypocrisy is utterly unappealing.

What is a little disconcerting is that you open a thread in quite a measured manner, posing what might be said are interesting questions, but after a couple of posts you go off the deep end, full of bluster and indignation, insults and put downs, slander and generalisations. I'm not saying the same accusation can not be directed toward me but I would hope I am far more consistent.

Cont...

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Look, I don't think you are schizophrenic, or as balmy as some of the others on this forum, but something is obviously amiss. Perhaps you are taking Viagra for your gout. Whatever it is I'm happy to go toe to toe, if we both consider the other a bully then perhaps it is right that we kick sand in each others faces rather than inflict ourselves on others.

I will start. Anybody who thought it was just fine and dandy to have an Australian tortured and abused, locked up without a trial for 5 years, because of a very tenuous link to terrorism, is someone who is a coward. All those fair weather patriots who crap their pants and support throwing habeas corpus, the rule of law, and natural justice out the window just so they can sleep a little easier at night are not the kind of people we want having any influence in our society.

Now we can make this as personal as you want, I will leave that up to you.

For now though I offer you with the following;

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gout/basics/treatment/con-20019400

Cheaper than them little blue pills.

Good evening to you Dr STEELEREDUX...

I was under the mistaken impression you and you're clinic only consulted with your Islamic patients - my error Doctor. As their spokesman and proponent it's obvious that you were never in the position to earn the Queens Shilling ? Obviously I'll not embarrass you with material that would obviously confuse your revolutionary Islamic predilections !

Concerning your titular brother one David HICKS, tiresome as it is, to continually recapitulate his treacherous 'deeds' - if the circumstances of his capture were to occur in South Vietnam in my time, his worry of an indefinite detention without the benefit of 'due process' would indeed be moot. Attired as he was, in company with known terrorists, while being armed, he'd be dealt with immediately.

Now I understand the events that I've briefly outlined for you, may well confound and perplex your delicate, LEFT leaning sensibilities. Therefore it's incumbent upon me to make some apology for not allowing for your ignorance of the military environment and camaraderie when undertaking active service. Bring it on, my perverse Mufti mate !

Dear o sung wu,

Your position appears to be that you are a better person than I am because you would be more than happy to kill an unarmed prisoner of war without any trial or due process and I would not.

Just think about that for a moment.

You sir are a rather poignant example of the vicissitudes inflicted on a person's mind when they are trained and ordered to engage in acts that would be foreign to any normal human being.

You have spoken about your 'buggered mind” and your years in counselling to address the impacts on your mental health of serving in Vietnam. You have acknowledged so many who came “home to a ruined life, a disastrous marriage, lost careers, and estranged friendships”. You have written about “mood swings, explosive tempers, the melancholy, the 'startle' syndrome, and many other symptoms”.

Vietnam was a dirty, nasty little war, started by the US, that cost so many lives especially Vietnamese and for what?

This documentary speaks to the mindset that pervaded, the rapes, the massacres, and the summary executions.
http://youtu.be/Kj8qYd68rxE

Don't ask me to be proud of Australia's involvement in that war. I am proud of those who saw the war for what it was and marched in their tens of thousands to try and end it, to try and stop the procession of young Aussie men returning either in a body bag, or maimed, or to struggle with demons not of their own making for the rest of their lives.

I will accept the position that by their service the Australians who fought in Vietnam may have helped in some small measure to strengthen the relationship with the US and there are those who see value in that.

But I will continue to be deeply resentful of the price people like yourself have had to pay.

I acknowledge the circumstances that have allowed you to see summary execution as acceptable, but there is no virtue in it, rather it is a sad reflection on the cost of immoral wars on those who participate in them.

o sung wu,

You had me fooled mate.

I had assumed you were one of the few around here who attempted to look at things in a half balanced manner - then...

"“And those 'Lefties' the likes of this MAY MAY and PAUL1405 make me absolutely nauseous with their nonsensical tripe ! Australia unfortunately has more than their fair share of cowards and pretenders, we really need no more ?”

“Aka - the crooks friend !”

“ PAUL1405 and his miserable cohorts would be out demonstrating 'again' as 'consciences objectors'. What sickening, useless human beings, his and his kind are !”

........

I posted part of this quote on another thread, but it's even more applicable here it seems.

Goering was interviewed during a break in the Nuremberg trial [on war]:

"...But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship."

"There is one difference," I pointed out. "In a democracy people have a say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars."

"Oh that is all well and good, but voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to do the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

Seems it does....

SteeleRedux, thumbs up to your above post! This fellow come onto this forum with his good mornings and good evenings, then proceeds to personally attack those that don't think like him. He describes me as "What sickening, useless human beings, his (Paul1405) and his kind are!
I am proud to say as a teenager, I along with thousands of other Australians, took part in the anti Vietnam 'Moratorium' protests. I clearly recall unbadged, fat guttered coppers, ably assisted by members of the Nazi Party, punching defenseless kids, assaulting them with police batons, dragging young student girls by their hair, as they yelled and screamed in pain, off to paddy wagons to be charged with trumped up crap, resisting arrest and assaulting police. I did not witness these barbarous acts in the streets of Moscow or Hanoi, but in the streets of Sydney, Australia. Do you want to deny that took place Mr Copper? No doubt you were off doing your "thing" in Vietnam at the time.