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CONSTITUTIONAL CHANGE and CULTURAL IDENTITY.

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Our founding fathers said 2 things in the constitutional context of interest to me regarding cultural identity.

1/ The pre-amble calls on the guidance/blessing of Almighty God.
2/ They stated that the government should not make any law promoting or hindering any religion. (if I understand it correctly)

HISTORICAL CONTEXT. Considering that most white Australians of that time were from England Ireland and Scottland, it is reasonable to assume that they were seeking to avoid the historical wars between Catholicism and Protestantism which characterized their past.

It is unlikely that they had any thought of other religions such as Hinduism or Buddhism or Islam at this time,though I would welcome evidence to the contrary if such exists.

FLAWED FOUNDATIONS.
If we build a house in a termite infested area, we use concrete stumps and termite shields to combat them.
If we had just ONE softwood stump with no termite shield, infestation is guaranteed.
Who, in their right mind would do such a thing?

IMMIGRATION POLICY IS A SOFTWOOD STUMP.

We need to revisit the constitution and alter it in terms of the following:

1/ Based on the strong cultural links of Australias pioneers and settlers to the JudaoChristian heritage, Government will provide good stewarship of this heritage by supervising all migration such that people are accepted on the basis of compatability with that heritage.

2/ People from other historical backgrounds are welcome, but in numbers which will never constitute a threat to the basic cultural cohesian of Australia.

3/ All creeds followed by would be migrants are to be scrutinized for any hint of animosity or values which are not compatable with the values established by the JudaoChristian heritage of Australia.

4/ Expressions of cultural difference should be managed, supervised and controlled such that they will not lead to outbursts of anti Australian sentiment. This could include:
a) Size and locations of houses of worship of non Christian traditions.
b) Numbers they are allowed to cater for.
c) Prohibition of ethnically based cultural societies (including 'English, Scottish, Irish)
Posted by BOAZ_David, Saturday, 26 May 2007 8:55:46 AM
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Boaz you say "JudaoChristian heritage". What have the Jews done for Australia except champion the cause of Israel? You make it seem like their contribution to Australia is equal to that of Christians which could not be further from the truth.
Posted by EasyTimes, Saturday, 26 May 2007 12:07:47 PM
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Twenty years ago, I held high hopes for this country that one day soon, the superstition of religion would be pushed out of mainstream debate, but sadly, it seems religious fanatics are spreading their idealogical nonsense in even greater and greater numbers. Take a look at the US. There's no shortage of places of worship packed to the doors with deluded people waving their arms in time to weird rock music and I'm afraid we have the same problem beginning to appear right here in Australia.
Christians, Muslims, they're all the same as they fervently scramble to spread their hatred and lies to the general populace.
I started life in the Catholic movement. It took me years to shake off the deceit and lies of the "faith." I remember a nun once telling me.... "I'll crack your head like and egg-shell" and "Communists will force you to turn against God by shoving splintery sticks through your ear drums." That one had me terrified for years. Indoctrination of children into religious organisations, no matter what particular creed they belong to, should be seen for what it is. Child abuse!
The one firm item that should have been written into the constitution is that religion indoctrination of all types should be immediately banned. It wasn't of course, because the constitution was written in a time when religious superstition held sway over the majority of people. I'm absolutely appalled to see that nothing much has changed.
Posted by Aime, Saturday, 26 May 2007 12:54:27 PM
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EASY... I mention 'Judao' as well as Christian, because Christ emerged from the Mosaic tradition, and he was in fact the fulfullment of the law.

Jesus expressly said:

"This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms." (Luke 24:44)

I mean 'Judao' in the spiritual sense not the ethnic sense. It has nothing to do with "Jews" as a race, but as part of the broader Tradition of the Christian faith.

AIME
I totally sympathize with your plight. Nothing would irk me more than to have had your experience of what you accurately describe as 'indoctrination'. Not only that, but you were obviously told things which were either half true or outright wrong, or threatened in order to persuade you to comply with a particular religious tradition, that being the Roman Catholic.

I also identify with your description of the mindless happy clapping types who are about as deep as a overflow from you sink to the benchtop. "been there, seen that".

Human traditions tacked onto true faith by religious leaders who place more importance on prestige and position were attacked by Jesus without mercy.

"You blind guides"
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!
-You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside
-are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean."

The verbal equivalent of an RPG in your face.

So, my main concern for you, is that you seem to share Christs view of 'religion' as you experienced it, but you also seem to have rejected Christ? This is very sad, because in one sense you are on the same page.

I ask you to search your own heart.. to see if there is any other underlying reason why you may wish to reject God on the basis of His supposed representatives behavior, then.. why not re-consider and seek fellowship with those who are more like the Jesus we can all read about ?
Posted by BOAZ_David, Saturday, 26 May 2007 1:14:58 PM
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Part 1
Well David, a nun once did indeed try to crack my skull. She hipped me into the brick wall of the little boy's toilet while helping the other side to win a game of net-ball. However, I'm sure it was an accident and her soothing words and apparent concern were genuine acts of remorse :-)

On a more serious note, I spent a number of years looking at various religious brands to see if I was missing something. Yes, I still felt guilty about abandoning my religion. Finding nothing of substance, I began to look at all angles of religion from the biker creed...."Better to rule in hell than serve in heaven" to way out religions such as Buddhism (which isn't truly a religion at all) to Seven Day Adventists and while I respect all people's right to believe what they want, or be as deluded as they allow themselves to be, I have never found any reality in believing in things that I believe do not exist ie: Something called God that flies around in the sky watching your every move and seeking to destroy you for what it concedes as being against it's own idea of right and wrong.
And what happens when you die? Maybe you believe your "soul" goes to heaven or a "better place?" What's a soul David? (I hope you don't mind me calling you David?) When is a "soul" formed? When "it" goes to "heaven" (or where ever), is it old? young? infirm like some of the people I care for at work? If not, then how will we recognise them when our "soul" get to heaven? What about twins? Who gets the "soul" then?
Posted by Aime, Saturday, 26 May 2007 1:52:21 PM
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Part 2.
David, we're simply animals that were cursed with being able to think. This ability allowed us, in centuries long ago, to twist natural phenomena into superstitions. We went one step further and needed "something" or "someone" to blame/praise for these "strange" events, events that in that time had no seemingly logical explanation, so the "thinking animal" dreamed up "God!"
Religion belongs to a dinosaur past. You don't have to be religious to be kind to others. As it is, I'm stepping well outside my usual "kindness comfort zone" by replying to you in this way, but if people don't continue to speak out against the superstition of religious beliefs, then I can't see much of a future for this big ol' World of ours.
Posted by Aime, Saturday, 26 May 2007 1:53:05 PM
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