LM, many jurisdictions have quite a few rules that we generally find offensive, Pakistan gaols rape victims, Saudi Arabia beheads criminals, China stockpiles prisoners for parts, just to name a few, so I'd hardly call that good support for any position on abortion.
Nor does any abortion seem to fit in a discussion of capital punishment, unless it's a capital crime somewhere?
TBH, I don't know but somehow it wouldn't surprise me.

Is Mise, are you suggesting we change the words of something a supposed invisible being carved on stone and left for us mere mortals to live by?

G'dayBruce, even if we were discussing submarines, horse racing, or climate change, Runner would still bring up abortion.

The thing is, abortion is safe and legal in this country, and he and his other religious fundie mates will never get over that.
No one is asking any of them to have anything to do with what other women decide about their own bodies. It is no one else's business.

Murder by capital punishment is not legal, but the same righteous people champ at the bit to legalise that......go figure!

I agree in general Suse, but for one detail, the father should have some sort of input in most situations. Exactly WHAT input I'll leave to wiser heads, that's beyond my level of competence, but I DO accept that the ultimate decision MUST be the woman's, free and clear, anything less is quite simply uncivilised IMO.

Hi there IS MISE...Of course the Murphy brothers are (as far as I know) still 'under protection' at Long Bay. The dreadful crimes occasioned to Anita COBBY were beyond deplorable, as were those occasioned to Virginia MORSE of Moree, by the infamous filth of Kevin CRUMP and Alan BAKER (the ring leader) ! Fortunately, both are still in gaol with no prospect of ever being released.

A questing for you if I may IS MISE ? Do you believe life imprisonment, without the prospect of ever being released, is preferable to execution ? Naturally, I support the former. Notwithstanding these slugs that epitomise terrorism. It's not the fact a terrorist murders. Rather it's the 'quality' and 'quantity' of their atrocities that mortify me !

SUSEONLINE...

I fully appreciate your position, when you state your preference for a specific punishment for a distinct category of crimes (Rapists - castration etc). But there are those who would say, in so doing is commensurate with that of torture ? There are many others who would say the abominable crime of rape is also torture ? Victimology is generally complex, whenever we're the victim of one of these appalling crimes, our natural human emotion desires revenge, and that need for revenge, becomes voracious almost beyond that of insatiable.

Low shot Runner.

G'dayBruce

not nearly as low as killing the unborn. The Nazis also insisted Jews were not human just as the killers of the unborn do. The double standards of those opposing capital punishment is very clear despite your idiotic conclusion that abortion is the prevention of life. You obviously went to or have fallen for feminist science school.

Yes I know what you mean O Sung Wu, and I would look for revenge too if I was the victim or family of any of those awful crimes.

However, in the case of castration for convicted paedophiles and rapists, I don't see chemical castration as a form of torture, but more a 'deterrent' against them wishing to further offend.
Surgical castration, under anaesthetic, would not be torture per se though I guess....