Sorry Suse & Foxy.

As I see it the bleeding hearts are guilty of murder when they compassionately let a murderer out of prison, having paid their debt they say, then have them commit another murder.

Terrorists are guilty of any murder committed by their brethren. It does not matter which pulls the trigger, or wields the knife, they are all guilty by association, & should all be executed.

Why they did it is totally immaterial, I am not interested. Join or support a terrorist organisation, & you are guilty of any act they commit.

Hi there SUSEONLINE...

It is for this reason I totally oppose capital punishment in matters of criminality. By the way one of the essential proofs needed for murder is; 'malice aforethought' or as you've described 'premeditated'.

HASBEEN & IS MISE... much of what you've both stated I agree with, with the exception of the punishment phase. I oppose putting a criminal to death, I know, call me a 'softie' a 'weakie', it's quite true, I can't stomach the thought of going through the structured, regimented procedure of a State sanctioned execution - it's uncivilised, and I was nearly going to say 'unnecessary', but I'd be wrong !

A proven terrorist is not a criminal; 'it's' a filthy disease, that must be immediately expunged from a civilised planet ! You'll probably note that I chose not to identify a gender, rather referring to a terrorist as an 'it'.

FOXY...as always you mount a strong, logical and reasoned argument, that I could never in all conscience, legitimately rebut. My only point of disagreement with anything you've said in this matter, you've attempted to enjoin the actions of a terrorist with that of a criminal. It's at this point of delineation our opinions must separate.

As I said above, I don't consider ordinary (civil) criminality has any similarity with that of fanatic terrorism. With the latter, all bets are off, discard the statutes, and our moral scruples, ethics, and standards, as well as our 'rules of engagement'. Terrorists should be totally expunged, annihilated - afford them no mercy whatsoever. I'm sorry FOXY, I feel I've unintentionally caused you some affront ? Regrettably, it's just how I feel about this curse.

Suseonline, "Unless we have absolute, undeniable proof that someone has murdered someone else, and that it was premeditated, then I don't support capital punishment"

That could be exhibit 1 of the flaws of capital punishment. The likelihood that an offender might never be convicted because a juror might refuse to accept evidence of guilt put before her, because to do so might result in the judge donning the black square of silk.

o sung wu,

None of the terrorist atrocities that have been reported lately come anywhere near what was done to Anita Cobby, a completely innocent person, who was brutalized, tortured, raped multiple times, mutilated and murdered by five of her fellow citizens.
They had nothing against her, she was just a convenient victim of their lust for some warped excitement.

Yet we keep them alive and look after their health and well being, what a farce.

Is Mise, how can we condemn a murderer's actions, and then 'legally' have them murdered as well? What happened to 'Thou shalt not Kill'?

Put them away for life, medically castrate paedophiles and rapists, put them all to hard labour, whatever.....but I think killing them is too easy.

It is not proven to stop the murders on the streets, as is obvious in the US states where it is legal, so that is why we are a bit more civilised here in Australia.

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Intentional murder is an act by which the murderer clearly demonstrates his refusal to recognize and respect life as a fundamental right of every human being, including himself. That signifies, ipso facto, acceptance of capital punishment as a just sanction for his lethal act.

However, capital punishment should only be applied in cases where the defendant is judged guilty beyond all reasonable doubt. It should be limited to abridging the life of the condemned person and carried out with dignity, politeness and respect, in conditions of utmost security.

It should be a peaceful and painless death, preferably in a warm, cosy environment. The condemned should receive appropriate psychological assistance and sedation where necessary in order to prepare him for an end of life that he would probably have difficulty accepting. He should also receive spiritual solace, if he so desires, from the religion of his choice.

We all have to die some day and this should simply be the acceleration of the persons natural life cycle – perhaps, even a better, more comfortable death than that which he may have experienced if he had not been condemned.

True, nothing in this world is perfect and some innocent persons may see their lives prematurely terminated. That is unfortunate but it is unavoidable. All lethal accidents are unfortunate and, because they do occur, unavoidable too.

Capital punishment should not be a barbaric affair involving pain, stress and suffering. Nor should it be accompanied by obloquy or opprobrium. It is simply the application of the terms and conditions of the social contract to which we all voluntarily subscribe through the democratic process.

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