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Posted by Banjo, Saturday, 2 August 2014 1:56:51 PM
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Jay,
"There's no such thing as Racism in North Western European people, it doesn't exist because our societies are not based on ancestry or blood ties but on assimilation of outsiders,out marriage and concepts of honour, social standing and personal reputation" North Western European people were and are racist, as is just about everyone else on the planet. Much of the strife between England and Ireland was blatantly racist, particularly on the English side. Ancestry played/plays an enormous part in Western European society and marriages and other alliances were/are often based on ancestry. Ancestry is so important that it is relatively easy to trace one's ancestry in Europe and not all those who can trace themselves a long way back subscribe to the Peanut Bush theory. In recent years "out marriage" could get one or other of the parties killed or at the least ostracized in the British Occupied area of Ireland. Posted by Is Mise, Saturday, 2 August 2014 2:18:44 PM
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Dear runner,
If you were to actually read some other sources you might lend your comments far more credibility and they could possibly arm you with sufficient knowledge to tackle the challenges put to your theories instead of stooping to personal insults as you tend to do. Reading a wider range of opinions just might provide you with a better understanding of the real situation. Here's a link that might help: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/29/racism-mental-health-indigenous-communities Dear Banjo, No - they are comments that as I stated earlier were Googled from the Web. However I am flattered that you think enough of them to keep them on file. As for my apologising for stating facts - that would be silly. But you can - for calling them ridiculous. Because, whether you like it or not that facts remain - that we did have a "White Australia Policy," that we do imprison asylum seekers, that we did have assaults on Indian students, that we did have a political organisation called "One Nation," and the list goes on. Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 2 August 2014 2:47:55 PM
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Suse,
Ok then smartypants, what's the basis of Western societies if it's not race and it's not personal reputation and good standing in the community? Can people like me inherit positions of power over other community members or can we go to the government and make demands based upon our ancestry? No, so the idea of "Racism" is debunked. Either anti Racists represent "real" White people or they don't, there is no alternative position because there are no "Racist" groups, no "Racist" laws and no benefits for "Racism' anywhere in Australian society. Name one "Racist" organisation anywhere in the West which has "Racism" as it's mission Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Saturday, 2 August 2014 3:39:03 PM
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Foxy, <People who are in denial about racism in this country are simply ignorant. Lets look at the facts - we imprison brown asylum seekers, we once celebrated our national day with a white racist riot. There were assaults on Indian students, a little political organisation called One Nation, and of course "the intervention" - the heraldic beak on our long hawkish treatment of Indigenous Australians.>
Foxy, OLO Friday 18-4-2014 12.18.35 (linked to by another poster) Sam di Brito SMH, March 25, 2014, <It's easy to beat yourself up about Australia being a redneck country. We do, after all, imprison brown asylum seekers and once celebrated our national day with a white racist riot. There were those assaults on Indian students, a little political organisation called One Nation and, of course, "the intervention"– the heraldic beak on our long, hawkish treatment of indigenous Australians.> In the same di Brito article Foxy missed comments such as, "These sorts of figures would suggest there is a lot to like about Australia, particularly if you come from countries where people routinely get killed for their skin colour, ethnic origin and religion or, imprisoned for saying something the government doesn't like." and "A 2013 paper by two Swedish economists, using data from the World Values Survey, found Australia to be amongst the world's most tolerant countries and India the very least." What about Sam di Brito's concluding remarks? Maybe I am old-fashioned, but I prefer the convention of showing quotes and the source so that readers can ascertain the original author's meaning, which in this case seems to be different from the spin another might put on the text, copied and pasted for their own use. Posted by onthebeach, Saturday, 2 August 2014 5:03:46 PM
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I see the usual suspects are indulging in their favorite sport of 'Foxy bashing'...
One doesn't have to look far for official websites (and this opinion forum!) proving that many Australians are racist. So this sort of ad campaign often brings out the rats fighting. "Challenging Racism: The Anti-racism Research Project" is one good example that shows data about racism in Australia, but I know many of the contributors to this thread would be just as suspicious of the academics who took this data, as they are about anyone different from their superior selves. "The survey data indicate that a large majority of Australians are positive about living in a multicultural country. Most Australians feel secure and comfortable with cultural difference. The data also indicate that most Australians recognise that racism is a problem in society. Too many Australians (41%) have a narrow view of who belongs in Australia." http://www.uws.edu.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/173635/NationalLevelFindingsV1.pdf Posted by Suseonline, Saturday, 2 August 2014 6:09:29 PM
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No problem to find your ridiculous 'facts' as I have them on file.
Previously you were in denial that you made the comments it shows some progress that you now admit they are your comments.
Now you could explain how your 'facts' are racist. You made false interpretations deliberately to disparage Australia.
In fact the truth is that Australia is very accommodating to persons of all races.
A fair and honest person would withdraw the comments and apologise.