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Beyond Blue Anti Racism campaign

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yvonne,

Second Sino-Japanese War (July 7, 1937 – September 9, 1945):

"Nanking should be remembered not only for the number of people slaughtered but for the cruel manner in which many met their deaths. Chinese men were used for bayonet practice and in decapitation contests. An estimated 20,000 – 80,000 Chinese women were raped. Many soldiers went beyond rape to disembowel women, slice off their breasts, nail them alive to walls. Fathers were forced to rape their daughters, and sons their mothers, as other family members watched. Not only did live burials, castration, the carving of organs, and the roasting of people become routine, but more diabolical tortures were practiced, such as hanging people by their tongues on iron hooks or burying people to their waists and watching them get torn apart by German shepherds. So sickening was the spectacle that even Nazis in the city were horrified, one proclaiming the massacre to be the work of bestial machinery."
The Rape of Nanking p.6

Lets leave your strawman rhetoric to one side and accept that it is the ideology, culture and so on (as promoted by the leaders), not the mums and dads Japanese that are rightly blamed for the Japanese atrocities and brutality in the Sino-Japanese wars and in WW2. [However that doesn't entirely absolve any Japanese who did monstrous things, like beating people and worse.]

So too it is quite appropriate to enquire if Islam is a toxic religion. Would the dreadful traditions, culture and offences still happen anyway if there was no Islam and no Islamic leaders?

What does seem ridiculous is the insistence by the leftists and especially feminists that Islam is beaut and blameless. Don't you accept that the Japanese officers and soldiers were fighting a holy war too? There do seem to be some parallels, yes?
Posted by onthebeach, Thursday, 14 August 2014 4:55:11 PM
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Yvonne,

The Japanese Army did what they did because they were badly led, their officers did not practice the niceties of Japanese culture.

In other places, particularly where Naval officers were concerned, an entirely different ethos prevailed.

There is no book handed to the Japanese by their gods that exhorts them to kill those of differing religious belief or cultural practices.

There is nothing in Buddhism or in Shinto that tells them to conquer the world.

Islam has the Koran, need one say more?
Posted by Is Mise, Thursday, 14 August 2014 5:49:18 PM
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Paul,

<<As I said this hate site does not have to prove anything for people like you, you are a believer to begin with>>

You're a believer too Paul. You want to believe that Islam cannot possibly be worse than any other creed.Though, I seriously doubt if you heard/read that some conservative figure did something dastardly you would apply the same level of skepticism (and need for proof) that you now apply to stories of Islam's excesses.
Posted by SPQR, Thursday, 14 August 2014 6:22:51 PM
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otb,

Still here singing from the same song-book.

Dear oh dear!

Get help!
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 14 August 2014 7:01:48 PM
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Is Mise,

The Divine Emperor had declared a holy war. Overlay that with the Japanese warrior tradition (which is far from the idealised Hollywood version), a highly conformist society with ignorant peasants still emerging from feudalism, regimentalised schooling (and predictable effect on the children as adults)etc.

The soldiers themselves didn't need any encouragement from their officers to do dreadful cruelty, although the officers obliged and led.

Even accepting that the soldiers were themselves treated brutally, there still has to be personal accountability.
Posted by onthebeach, Thursday, 14 August 2014 7:52:32 PM
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Agreed OTB, but Naval officers were subject to the same Emperor and there are records of some such officers acting with humanity and justice to non-Japanese who were placed in their care.

Even some of the prison camp guards did not forget their humanity (admittedly few); a friend of mine, now deceased, who was on the Burma Rly told me that he owed his life to some of the guards who shared their rations and medicines and did their best to help the prisoners in their care.

Unlike Muslims the Japanese who committed atrocities had no Sacred Book to tell them that they were doing their gods' will.
Posted by Is Mise, Thursday, 14 August 2014 9:30:18 PM
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