"NOUN :misdemeanour
1A minor wrongdoing.

Like I said Is Mise - misdemeanours.

Also officially criminal acts. But nonetheless: misdemeanours.

Minor criminal acts if you like.

Is Mise, surely you can't argue with that when you look at what Harris did in the context of all offences that come under the banner of child molestation and pedophilia.

Ludwig - (you were right, I'm back)

Misdemeanors...

From the the sentencing remarks:

"With the exception of Counts 10 & 11 the equivalent offences today attract significantly higher maximum sentences."

"For example on Count 1 the equivalent offence today is sexual assault of a child which carries a maximum of 14 years’ imprisonment and would be likely to involve a starting point of around one year’s imprisonment."

"On Counts 3, 4, 5, 7, 9 & 12 the equivalent offence today is assault by penetration which carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment and would be likely, to involve a starting point (given the severity of the psychological damage to ‘C’) of around 8 years’ imprisonment on Counts 3, 4, 5, 7, and 9 and a starting point of around 4 years’ imprisonment on Count 12."

That's....

"....On Counts 3, 4, 5, 7, 9 & 12 the equivalent offence today is assault by penetration which carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment..."

Ludwig calls them misdemeanors.

Minor criminal acts, he calls them.

Apparently they're so "minor" that nowadays one of them carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment.

Strange days on planet Ludwig....

I simply can't believe what I'm reading here. Pericles showed in her post that Harris put his finger inside an underage girl's vagina. That's digital rape. Is Mise then posted that such a thing was a criminal act. That's a fact.

Then this character who started this thread posted in reply that it's just a mere misdemeanour and minor. I simply find it very difficult to believe that that man could have such backward, dangerous attitudes. I thought men, in these modern times, had generally progressed beyond those ancient beliefs. This is very worrying, and I really hope that man doesn't access to children. Pericles and Is Mise, thanks so much for being the voice of reason in this, it's people like you two who bring reason and compassion to this worrying thread. I'm terribly worried that that man may have access to kids. I'm terribly concerned.

No-one is going to agree with that either, Ludwig.

>>Like I said Is Mise - misdemeanours. Also officially criminal acts. But nonetheless: misdemeanours. Minor criminal acts if you like.<<

Grown-ups understand these words - especially when they refer to judgment in a court of law - in a very different way.

"Typical misdemeanors include: petty theft, disturbing the peace, simple assault and battery, drunk driving without injury to others, drunkenness in public, various traffic violations, public nuisances".

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/misdemeanor

They do not include sticking fingers into a young girl's vagina, no matter how hard you stamp your feet and cover your ears.

Hahahaa. Hello Poirot. Welcome back!

<< Apparently they're so "minor" that nowadays one of them carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment. >>

Are you really incapable of putting things into context, of perceiving that things range enormously in severity, or that maximum sentences are going to apply for very serious acts and that they are not relevant to acts at the minor end of the spectrum?

From the sentencing remarks:

< With the exception of ‘C’ the offences were brief and opportunistic. >

That is: minor, in the greater scheme of things.

Ludwig, Poirot said 'one' of them carries a minimum sentence of life imprisonment. Therefore Poirot is not putting them all in the higher range of penalties. Everybody else reading Poirot's post would have realised what he was saying, but you're 'pretending' he wrote something he didn't write. You couldn't be so stupid you didn't understand, so the only conclusion I can draw is that you are here solely to twist and misrepresent. Why I don't know. Maybe you have history with him.

You wrote the offences were minor in the greater scheme of things. So your twisted logic is that by comparing a pedophilia crime to worse types of crimes in the greater scheme of things, that that somehow makes the pedophilia crime really not too bad at all; after all, who can argue that digitally penetrating a minor is as bad as mass murder. Your lack of logic is twisted and perverted, and solely designed to lessen the perceived severity of the crimes committed by Harris. Nobody's falling for it Ludwig. Why are you doing it? Are you trying to justify your own past actions? I really have my suspicions regarding you. Harris got an appropriate total sentence. Move on son, you are obsessed and illogical.