Okay folks the Rolf show is over we'll all move onto the Cliff thread very shortly. LOL
My advice to Ludwig is, if we do, please load your gun with different powder.

Ok, Ludwig, since you insist.

>>Six months imprisonment for simply squeezing a girls left buttock. A number of squeezes in quick succession, but all part of one grope lasting only couple of seconds in total duration, as I understand it. Do you honestly think that this is fair and reasonable?<<

Let us imagine for a moment that the person doing the groping was not Rolf Harris, but you.

The thirteen year-old tells her mum, and the next thing you know there is a knock on the door. The police would like to interview you down at the station. You go with them.

In the interview room, what would be your position? Flat-out denial that it ever happened? Let's imagine that they didn't believe you.

If convicted, what would you see as a reasonable punishment?

Let's say that you admitted that yes, you did go the grope - but hey, it was only a simple squeeze. Or two. Would you expect to be charged for the offence, or let off with a finger-wagging? If charged and found guilty, what would you expect the judge to say?

On the other hand, what would you say to the thirteen year-old, and her mother, if they let you off with a caution. How would the Cairns Post handle the story, do you think? Do you think they would be on your side, or the victim's?

Your problem here (apart from constantly shifting the goalposts) is that you have absolutely zero understanding of the harm that you have done - sorry, in what Rolf Harris actually did.

And incidentally, this is all without the added impact of it being a pattern of behaviour, spanning decades.

Paul, yes it will be very interesting to see what happens with Cliff, and how it compares with Rolf. I can’t wait. It should be hoot!

<< When I said I thought you were acting "unusually" on this thread....I was being polite and toning it down. >>

Fascinating Poirot. And guess how I feel about you…

You have acted very oddly on this thread, compared to what I have known you to be like in the previous four years on this forum. So intolerant of the views I have put forward. So polarised. So nasty in your implications about me! And so hypocritical.

To paraphrase you: I think you are acting in a very strange and unbalanced manner on this thread...and I'm wondering if you have other issues we're not aware of.

Now, you have done NOTHING to address the point I made about Harris’ six month jail term for this simple buttock grope.

Why are you on this thread if you are not interested in actually debating this subject??

Can you simply say whether you think a six month sentence for this offence is fair and reasonable or not.

Of course you will say yes because that is what the judge declared, end of story.

So then, should every man or woman who has done such a thing be hauled into court and charged and given a similar sentence? Or is it somehow different for Harris, because this act was one of several, part of a pattern or whatever other extenuating circumstances you might like to consider?

Hey, I’m just trying to keep this debate on track…. in line with the fundamental principles of OLO.

So please, don’t just dismiss this stuff with a quick throw-away line. Give us a well-considered response if you would.

<< Cough up Poirot's abusive remarks to you, Ludwig. >>

No! Don’t you get it by now; I am not going to be drawn into the negative pointless he-said – she-said merry-go-round any more.

Ludwig,

Have you hit water yet?

Nah! Is Mise, but by the way he a' dig'n I expect him to break through into China very, very shortly! LOL