Ludwig, the Harris case was conducted in a properly constituted court. Harris availed himself of the best possible defense team money could buy. The process was unscrupulously fair and exhaustive, in no way was there any hint of a miscarriage of justice. No, there are no possibilities of these so called "extenuating circumstances". If there were, I am sure the Harris team would have brought them up during the long period of the trial. All we can say is that at the end of the day Harris received fair justice.
I did ask you if you still stand by your original post; I did not catch your answer.

You said;

<<I was very dismayed when I heard the news that Rolf Harris had been found guilty on all 12 charges and now faces a substantial jail term.

Sorry, but this just doesn’t add up.

It seems that the worst of it was a bit of groping, which really amounts to somewhat risqué activity, and nothing worse than that.

He apparently did it openly, and gained a reputation for it. Even though he was known as The Octopus as a result of this, he was generally not thought of as being a pervert or pedophile, nor anything of the sort.

It really could be, and I would strongly suggest should be, interpreted as nothing more than playful behaviour, if at times a little worrying for some young women.

Comparing him to the likes of pedophile priests or Jimmy Savile is like comparing a flea to a walrus.

I think Rolf has copped a very raw deal here.>>

Is there any change from your original position on this?

AdrianD, I will go along with that, it's a rather accurate summation of this thread.

Well now isn’t this fascinating.

The post above by Ludwig . is presumably by Jay123.

Presumably that post will soon be deleted by the moderator.

Note the difference between Ludwig . and Ludwig

Isn’t Jay a clever fellow.

So then, I wonder if this has happened previously and that some people here are actually attributing stuff to me that this fool has written?

Isn’t it incredible the lengths some people wil go to.

Adrian, believe it or not, the subject of this thread is actually Rolf Harris, not Ludwig!

Yeah I know, it is very hard to believe eh.

So, you have gone to considerable lengths to assert that Ludwig is a terrible person who is totally out of line on this thread… and lo and behold, you have made ZERO attempt to address the discussion at hand or respond to anything that I put to you in my previous double post.
One has got to wonder why you would do that.

Why are you on this thread, or this forum, if you are not interested in actually discussing the subject??

Now, I’ll try one more time to engage you in the debate at hand…

You did say something very interesting in your previous post, with which I agree:

<< I think the difference with Harris is that most people (except Ludwig) have a deep revulsion towards the act of a grown man sexually touching underage girls; a revulsion that goes very deep into our souls… >>

<< …it's a very "personal" thing. >>

<< …and his music just makes them want to vomit. This is because of the deep, "personal" nature of pedophilia crimes. >>

So what you seem to be saying is that for some people extremely strong personal revulsion overrides everything else. Their sense of logic or perspective is overridden by revulsion, and their feeling of revulsion is extend very strongly to anyone who says anything whatsoever that is not in full and absolute support of their revulsion!

This is a very important point. Would you like to discuss it?

Or would you prefer to take the easy road and completely avoid the subject and just dish up another dose of Ludwig condemnation?

Ludwig,

"Presumably that post will soon be deleted by the moderator."

"So then, I wonder if this has happened previously and that some people here are actually attributing stuff to me that this fool has written?"

Have you pressed the red cross on that post?

You can't expect Graham (and others) to ride gunshot for you if you're not prepared to be vigilant also.

(All the other posts attributed to Ludwig are yours...)

Interesting, that someone has gone to the trouble of trying to pass themselves off as Ludwig. Such fame...!

I knew instantly that it could not be the real deal, though, because whoever-it-was addressed a comment to me. And we all know that Ludwig has given up on answering any of the outstanding questions I have put to him. Which makes this protestation to AdrianD doubly hilarious:

>>...you have made ZERO attempt to address the discussion at hand or respond to anything that I put to you in my previous double post.
One has got to wonder why you would do that<<

Why do you not equally wonder, dear Ludwig, why you do not respond to any of the direct questions put to you, concerning your personal attitude towards the nature of Rolf's crimes?

But I do like whoever-it-was' summary of the echt-Ludwig's position:

>>Why can't you admit that there's a possibility of possible extenuating circumstances regarding Harris? It's possible those possible extenuating circumstances are positively possible in many possible ways, and it's not impossible to admit that the possibility of the possibleness is positively possible.<<

Neatly encapsulating both his (secondary) argument, and the manner in which he poses it.

There is every likelihood that someone is posting in Ludwig's place,
some computers don't work well in deep holes.