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carbon tax or direct action.

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There has been such a tremendous take up of domestic solar and the price has come down so much that a new movement to go "off grid" is starting.
This will take a lot of the profits from the power company and could in time make it a loss maker.
This would be poetic justice if it does.
The Government would be to blame because they have been using power companies as cash cows and selling them off in their race to "privatise" them.
Battery technology is improving all the time making it cheaper to install.
It also means that that there are not so many blackouts due to extreme weather events.
The main group to suffer under this regime will be the commercial companies who will find it harder to install sufficient solar.
There is a case now for companies to install cogeneration and this is being done in Europe.
Why governments have not realized that this was where they were steering the power industry must be because in the main politicians are not too bright.
Posted by Robert LePage, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 4:13:08 PM
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Solar is taking over, and causing big inroads into the profits of the coal fired generators.

That is why the push from Abbott to scrap the carbon tax because it can not be passed on to the consumer. The coal generators carry the full baggage.

Because coal fired generators can not be switched off they have to keep feeding the boilers 24 hours a day.

Solar and wind are putting electricity into the grid unhindered.

Now that all grids are linked, except WA & NT The wind is always blowing somewhere.

The liberal camp have had special ordiance by the generators, to take off the carbon tax.

If that occurs Abbott wants to pay the coal generators to capture carbon from the taxpayers purse. It will be a default subsidy.

The current wholsale price for a kWh of power is 4.8 cents.
How much are you being ripped off.

The other suggestion from the coal generators was to remove the wholsale bying of power away from the AXS and have a set price.
You could imagine what would happen to the wholsale price of power if that was the case.

Over the last 20 Years the wholsale price of power has only slightly increased.

Abbott wants to give them more scope to charge more for electricity.
Posted by 579, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 5:00:13 PM
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Battery technology is improving all the time making it cheaper to install.
Robert LePage,
At this stage Green technology equipment is extremely polluting to manufacture but I suppose it won't be all that long before it comes down to the levels of conventional energy production.
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 10:25:00 PM
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Although they may not be able to directly pass on the tax, it still eats in to their cash flow. If it comes out of one pocket, they will take it from another to fill the void.

This then effects many other areas such as investment, expansion and staffing, all of which has a negative effect on jobs.

The tax was flawed from the start and has reaped billions out of our economy and made no noticeable difference to climate change as it doesn't matter where you burn fossil fuels because the earths climate is shared by all.
Posted by rehctub, Thursday, 26 June 2014 9:51:20 AM
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indy<<..The wind..is always blowing=;..somewhere.>>

yep/so..whats/with..wIND/NEEDing\to-be..constantly..MOVING..'ITS/BITS'[WHETHER the wind bLOWS OR NOT[SO THE BIG THING=wHEN..ITS ON/HERE..ITS OFF THERE;..meaning..THEY MUST ACCESS POWER 24/7..[wind/or]no wind...dTAWIN/OR\GEnerate/never..'off'[THEY SEIZE-UP]

i aLSO RECALL/WIND/WAS PAD..TO NOT LOAD ONTO THE/grid[BILLIONS/COMPENSATION..gee/now we aRE AT THE WHIM/OF COULD AND WIND[WIND-IT BACK..PLEASE..its all hot air/puff/fluff..AND WIND

you/say..<<>.The liberal camp..have had special ordiance by the generators,>>

I SAY PREVIOUS CARBON CREDITS/ARE GOING TO BYING/THE GENERATION/THEN SHutting them down/via the liberaL CABON ABBAITMENT[WIN/WIN..twice[then when it all falls down..lol..they get begged to fire up the coal..YEP WIN/WIN/WIN

FREE SOLAR SELLthen 55 cents buyvback
great[but eVEN GREATER IF YOU GOT HECTARES OF THE JUNK/PAYING 55 CENTS per kilo what

but whaIT..<<..The current wholsale price
for a kWh of power is 4.8 cents.>>

is that for the nEW[LITTLE GUYS SOLAR-..OR FOR BIG COAL?]\

How much are you being ripped off.

the carbon tax...to BUY <<.the coal generators
<<..to capture carbon>>abbaitment credits..<<>.from the taxpayers purse.>>to shut bIG COAL[BIG TOOBACCO/BIG PETRO/BIG PHARMA/TOO BIg to fail

..<<.. It will be a default subsidy.>>
tripple dippling the public purse

<<..Over the last 20 Years the wholsale price of power
has only slightly increased.>>

and trippled the next 20

<<..Abbott wants to give them more scope to charge more for electricity.>>

and/malcom/has conned clivE\WITH BIG ALL&+*GORE.

FOR/SURE..FOR-Shore

<<.Battery technology..hook/a HEAVEY DUTY BATTERY/TO A voltage reulater/to a timmer..into-of peak..RUN WHOLE HOUSE IN OFf peak/with back up on essential equipment/lights..ETC

JUSt USE OFF PEAK POWER[13 CENTS]

any/extra..batteries dont work[under a grand/to get off the grid]
but heck..IF YA CAN SELL/FOR 55..BUY AT 4..WIN/WIN

<<>.The tax was flawed from the start and has reaped billions>>

EVEN WORSE..its been leveraged/IN BEING LAUNDERD THROUgh the banks
[see fractional-RESERVE LENDING]..GONE..<<.out of our economy>>AND RECYCling arround as bonus/diVEDEND..ON WALL-STREET[NOT MAINSTREET/OR D=/Forbid/SUBERBIA

CHINA-SETTING-UP/ITS\OWN..RATINGS-Agencies..yeah*
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 26 June 2014 10:39:13 AM
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nNNnewsouthWHALES..has/approved/SELLING/POWER..for 1 billion[OUT OF THE HUGE/CARBON CREDIT/CASH POOLS..GLOBALLY..[SEE PREVIOUS/POST..

nsw-just sold the powEr generators off..[AND]that carbon credit/money was used..TO ABATE/carbon..AND..THAT\NOW COAL WILL BE shut down..[to get its \/next carbon credit/2\

YOU WILL SOON/WATCH THIS GRAND-SCAM UNWIND
PLEASE NOTE..THE COST OF COAL[BEFORE YOU GUYS BEgan screwing them and shutting theM DOWN..[OR]ENRON-RIG../THE FUTURE CARBON CREDIT..PRICED VAST/MULTIPLES\COAl

THING IS..THEse..CARBONISED-fools..DONT REALISE/WHY THEY ARE GETTING NEAR 11 TIMES THE COal price generated/PRICE..NOR/THAT..when/powER PRICES[hit/parity]..THE EXPECTATION IS/THAT keep\PRICES/KEEP-doubling up the price of coal/and 55 cents buy back will look cheap/once we all paY 110 cents..[THE END/PLAN]

how to say..[nay demand/thEY\..INCLUDE PRICES/FIXED/firm/numbers
not percemtile spin.WHEN THE PRICE PARITY..FINALY SETTLES..]TRIPPLE THE COST TODAY\.

RELitivly speaking..SOLARBENIficients..55 cent buy back/wiLL THEN BEGIN TO FEEL..AS WE WHO GAVE THEM\THeir free lunch feel today

[SURE WAY BACK..IF MY POWER BILLS/WERE the same..COST/AS..THE BUY BACK/FOR A mere/year..ie/free solar cells/20 FOLD RETURNS..over/its expected20/YEAR..LIFE

[THEN WATT?

i too..[as a huge user abuser/POWeR USERLIKE/YOU
[IF SO THEN]..YES I WOULD TOO HAVE SNAFLED UP..55 CENTS extortion from everyone else/but..didnt[sourgrapes]..10.0OO/THEN=200,000 IN 20 YEARS time*..ALL/FROM/THOSE/SMALL USERS/BIG USERS DID THE MATH.

seE THOSE FACTORY ROOFS/AND Rves on them semi/private-USE/public buILDINGS..SAW/A WAY TO DO..A HUGE CASH CRAB/FOR THE ARTS/AND SPORT STADIUMS/..by/OFF SETTING THEIR HUGe powEr costs/oFf my full Price power billings

you scumare doing treason
how dare \you lot keep pronominal.\//WIN-WIN/LIES

[allrEADY MY POWeR RATE HAS DOUBLED
COAL/.SOLAR PARITY..[SURE/but at what cost?..
who is gETTING THE BIG BUCKS..BY THE HECTARE?..audit their boOK[I HEAR SOME ARE TAKING \OFF peak..at 11 cents/to charge up solar cells/by lights/to sell back at 55 cents/24/7..MINUS THe two hours off peak shuts off.

GREAT ENRON SCAMING
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/05/enron-2-0-wall-street-wants-manipulate-state-energy-markets-just-like-manipulates-every-market.html

AHH YA GOTTA LOVE/pUBLIC-TROUGH/LEECHES;expperteaze/at\NEST FEATHERING
NOW HOW..TO/JUSt\get the coal*price up..TILL 55 CENTS\LOOKS CHEAPER/or..becomes a vague.memory.

YOUR GREAT/kids will reap\the pain
done..by fear mongering spin/of big money\bonus/peed\down the drain.
THINK WHAT OUR./POWER EXPENDITURE.MMIES/USED TO SUPPORT/NO MORE FAMILY Treats/thanks to you greenie/buy-back-freaks.

your scam\MUST/die/your EXCESS..GREED/BEYOND/NEED,,
IS KILLING US/ALL..COMPLICITy\YOUR IGNORANCE/Gullability\is endangering us all..enough=too much,
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 26 June 2014 11:03:10 AM
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