'afternoon to you JAYB...

I don't believe for a moment either CHRISGAFF1000 or anyone else for that matter, would quarrel with any assistance given to those profoundly handicapped people, like those afflicted with spasticity. Nor any number of similar diseases, including those who are mentally unwell too ?

What he, and you can include me amongst this group, do strongly object to, is these able bodied youngsters who leave school prematurely, before gaining a worthwhile 'basic' education in order to either, undertake a trade course, or matriculate to a university.

Whereas they'd prefer to lounge around at home or on the beach being supported by welfare instead of pursuing work. I don't believe for a moment, our welfare system was ever designed to accommodate characters such as these, who are simply bone lazy, and would prefer to allow the already stretched taxpayer to fund their indolent lifestyle !

Furthermore JAYB, I don't believe you do either ? I fully accept what you're saying concerning folk who're unable to work. Either because of some physical, or mental infirmity or those few, that for whatever reason, have some intellectual deficiency that precludes them from joining the workforce at large. But, definitely NOT those who possess no legitimate reason for at least not seeking work.

dear Bigots,

does anyone actually believe that anyone really wants to live their entire life in utter poverty on 200 dollars a week with no self-esteem, self-respect, ability to go to dentist or have any luxuries etc., never ever own a house or even a car?

Surely most of those people must be either mentally ill and/or emotionally disabled from some extreme abuse of some sort.

Imagine if you grew up in a family where both parents were entrenched in welfare and had severe mental issues, no proper education or help outside from family friends etc., maybe also if both parents had drug/alcohol problems etc., coupled with ALL the people living in area being the same -

. . . does any of the "resourceful" middle class people here who think they have because 'they did' really think they would have still turned out like they now currently are?

Or maybe, would that person have extreme issues and hiondrances to being able to live a norm al life?

Jottiikii, the crazy righties are not so utterly ignorant and unintelligent that they actually "believe" what they write about Newstart recipients. They write those things as an abuse towards those people here who have some sympathy for those on Newstart. In other words, the stupid righties are merely trying to get under you skin and abuse your sensibilities.

Don't fall for their tactic of abuse. They do it just to bait you. They are immature old men who love to hate.

This absurd belief that those on the Newstart Allowance are well off om $255.25/week is a nonsense. I live in Sydney and with rents being what they are many unemployed are being forced onto the streets. We have over 44,000 homeless kids on the streets, and Abbott wants to cut them off completely for up to 8 months a year. I once believed Australia was a compassionate society, but look what this Government is turning Australia into, an uncaring dog eat dog society.

http://www.homelessnessnsw.org.au/

Hey Paul, that can't be correct. Australia *DOES* use abundant welfare to lovingly protect those in need. I can prove it. Tax'Em Tony's daughter is so grateful to receive her welfare payments, as she comes from such a poor, struggling family. Her $60,000 "special" scholarship (oops I mean welfare payment) will greatly help her poor family cope with her education costs.

See Paul, that proves it. Welfare is alive and well in Australia.

Why do you lot keep saying Tony is going to cut them off.

He said, he will cut them off if they are NOT LEARNING. Now, where's the problem there!

As for drugs, first, the drugs reffwred to are illegal and second, if you want to collect the new start allowance, YOU MUST BE FIT AND READY TO WORK. End of story!

No ifs, no buts, fit and ready for work. The alternative is no work, no dole.