. . . continued . . .

People speak about doing it on their own and working hard like Spindoc BUT . . . he mentions "resources" and not "anticipating being dependant on others" like the poor no doubt ; yet he forgets that the wealthier classes have always had much, much more resources, education and other assistance (like slaves or house workers) whereas the poor usually could ONLY rely upon their own wages from working at the local factory.

It was this class of resourceful people who had the power and authority to make the severe world changing changes that led to all the low-skilled jobs being stolen away from the poor here and given to even poorer people in Asia living under oppression by elite masters.

If the "resourceful" peoples could do that to the poor how the hell does anyone think the poor has any power or ability to do anything like the richer do considering the poor clearly have very little resources and influence in any sense?

How about this Spindoc -

use all those resources and ingenuity you profess to bring back the jobs and industries the poor people traditionally relied upon and which your class stole from them.

You actually owe massive compensation to the "convict" classes buddy.

Thanks Spindoc, for proving me correct with your last reply (and you didn't even realise it, ha ha). Much appreciated son.

Dear jayb,

I've stated in the past that -

That there is a belief that the poor are in poverty
because they are idle and prefer to live on "handouts."
And that they prefer to take drugs, drink, gamble, et cetera,
with their Centrelink payments. This view is fervently held
even by people who do not know poor people, have never
tried to raise a family on welfare payments, and haven't
the vaguest idea what poverty or addiction is really like.

Opinion polls repeatedly show large sections of the
population favouring cuts in welfare spending, or having
programs like "drug testing" or favouring plans to "make
welfare recipients go to work."

These attitudes bear little relationship to reality.
If we were to look at statistics - many welfare
recipients are aged people, or disabled, most of the rest
are mothers with young children, and a very small
percentage (I believe less than 3 percent) are able-bodied
men, most of them are unskilled workers in areas of
high unemployment.

Other myths abound - especially that welfare is a terrible
burden on the taxpayer. Welfare represents a very small
percentage of the federal budget.

Why do these curious myths about the poor persist?

It's the belief that if those who get ahead can claim credit
for their success, then those who fall behind must, logically,
be blamed for their failures. The poor are therefore
supposed to need incentives to work, rather than help at the
expense of the taxpayer.

There are few complaints, however, about how our country
pays out far more in "handouts" to the nonpoor than to the
poor - in forms ranging from tax deductions, subsidies, and
other benefits.

This fact generally escapes attention because these benefits
take the indirect form of hidden subsidies or tax deductions
rather than the direct form of cash payments.

I believe that we should provide whatever help is necessary
to those who need it. We may need to change or modify certain
aspects of our system - but lets make it fair to everyone.

Welfare coupons can not be put in a poker machine, lets drop the cash and handout welfare coupons if they embarass you and your pride is affected good, educate upskill, apply for the ADF voluntee just get motivated.

Where on earth do you live Jottiikii, It can't be in Oz.

Send your poor who want to work up this way, that is if you can really find any who do actually want to work. It is the unskilled jobs people can't fill.

Just around here we have 2 turf farmers employing dole bludgers, cash in hand, for a day here & there, as they can't get workers.

We have a nursery, a plasterer, a concreter & a builder, all in the same position.

I can send them to these 6 prospective employers, just in my 2 kilometer long country road. Every one of them has given up advertising as they never get an answer to their adds.

I mentioned I would get over 100 applicants from people in work for any add for administrative position I placed, but none to just 3 or 4 for a stores or production job. This was on the Gold Coast, with thousands of so called unemployed, surfing every day.

Yes it is hard to get a job on $1000 a week, although that plasterer was paying my son that much when he worked for him for two months, waiting for his navy course to start. However even a farm laborer will get more than twice the dole, if they can actually get out of bed & go to work

Foxy: I believe that we should provide whatever help is necessary
to those who need it. We may need to change or modify certain
aspects of our system - but lets make it fair to everyone.

I'm with you on this. Let's take one thing at a time.

Most of the "Old" Baby Boomers, didn't have superannuation. It wasn't a thing that was generally available when I started work. We had Life Assurance. A few bob in each week was going to make you a fortune when you retired. Well I collected mine when I retired. It worked out to be "one week work, present day. Mind you when I took it out at 17 that amount was a veritable fortune. I worked for 42 years & never went on the dole, except for the first few weeks after I left school. I still have the Receipt, 10/6 or $1.05 in to-days money. mind you that was at a time when adult were $10/10/6. I got Super when it was introduced as compulsory. $22000. I retired, then the tax got at both of them, so I ended up with stuff all out of it.

The seriously Physically disabled. We have a responsibility to look after these people. Once they were left to die naturally as nature intended. The mildly disabled were in special homes where they were looked after & worked if they were able. Now the facilities have been closed down by the Politically Correct & these people are out in the World. On paper they have support, but the reality does not meet any reasonable standard.

The Chronically Mentally disabled (the insane) have also been pushed out into the street. They have facilities for them, in for a week, out for a week. No after care. They are on their own. The Moderately Mentally disabled are on the streets all the time. Admitted when they have an "episode" for a few days, then, "Get out & behave yourself." No follow up. There is on paper. The reality, zip! The Mildly disabled are mostly fine & functioning people.