Dearest Spindoc,

Thanks for showing your nature to everyone here, by displaying that you can't reply without starting with juvenile and 100% unsubstantiated claims in your first sentence. You are good evidence that maturity is not necessarily gained with age.

Spindoc, your superannuation is *WELFARE* ..... amazingly huge TAX BREAKS (welfare) and employer contributions (welfare).

If you are living off superannuation you can only claim to be "independent" if you have NEVER, EVER received superannuation tax braks, and have NEVER, EVER received an employer contribution at any stage in your life.

So Spindoc, enjoy your *WELFARE* payments.

You also wrote, "recreational drug use for us is a matter of choice". So because you're *OLD* it's excused by you and is ok, it's a "choice". Well son, it's exactly people like *YOU* who should be subjected to regular drug tests in order to receive "your" superannuation welfare payments.

Lay off the kids you old fogie.

Let me ask ALL this -

- does everyone on this forum who want the so-called "dole bludgers" to be crushed also apply that philosophy to all indigenous peoples many who are also living entrenched in unemployment, welfare, mental illness etc.

Don't leave out also the large unemployment or "bludging" issue in many ethnic communities.

. . . . . Oh NO . . . likely the prime target here is the traditional scapegoat and punching bag for the white elite - that is the "convict" clases.

Just turn on the tv and see shows like Bogan HUnters and Housoes to see the extreme unashamed classist piggery and cruelty from the elite to those at the underneath of the boot.

*THE* reason why the so called elite exits at all is because they are supported by the less well off, who buy consumer goods produced by the so called elite. Without that, the elite ("financial" elite that is) would not exist.

Basically, the rest of the population provides welfare payments to the financial elite, by buying the products. And in return, the financial elite work for their dole by producing consumer goods. This works right through the chain, from the top to the bottom. EVERYONE is on "welfare".

I'm quite well off, but "some" people in my position, usually crazy far righties, don't comprehend that when it's brought down to the absolute basic level ..... we *UTTERLY 100% DEPEND* on the less well off to support us by buying our goods. THEY are our masters, not the other way round as the crazy righties here believe.

Hi Nhoj,

It’s gratifying to learn that the baby boomers only achieved their financial security by paying 48c in the dollar tax, then paid the super levy on contributions but at a discounted rate

(<< amazingly huge TAX BREAKS (welfare) and employer contributions (welfare)>>).

I guess there is no need to mention that we were well educated, resourceful, hard working and not anticipating being dependent upon others?

So when you consider that tax breaks and super contributions are now even more “amazing” than we had on offer, you would say what?

In summary, you have better tax breaks, improved super contributions and greater social security benefits and you still can’t make a living?

This is all assuming that you are both “employable” and “employed”. Otherwise you are back where you started, with better tax breaks and greater super options but still state dependent.

When you say “Lay off the kids you old fogie”. What you really mean is yes we are kids and stop harassing us because we are even better off that you were but we bitch on about things even better.

Go Nhoj, get a job and stop depending on those who have one.

Spindoc and others,

Ask yourself these BASIC kindie level question:

1) In china which people are really doing ALL the work, making China a big economy, making the world's businesses richer by using slave workers - (a) the wealthier decision making Chinese classes, OR (b) the poorerst of China who's hard, physical work is the real drive for the wealth everyone is amazed by?

2) In Australia which class of people did all the actual real work of constructing an entire nation (roads, dams etc.), the - (a) the wealthier decision making Anglo classes, OR (b) the poorerst of Anglos who were stolen from their homelands of Britain by the elite using excuses of criminality (mostly just small crimes for food etc.) and used as slaves to build the colony?

Clearly in both (1) AND (2) THE POOREST PEOPLES do most work and the rich use the excuse usually that poor are not intelligent enough to make leadership decisions and so can only do physical work (among many others).

So the poor build everything, the rich use it all and claim ownership of it all, then because the rich make decisions to make them richer but which will affect the lives of all the poor (the massive job-economic changes where manufacturing went to Asia 100%) and then still complain that the poor are leeches who bludge from the rich.

What? The rich in all of time have always BLUDGED in all ways from the poorer.

The very fact that the west has shifted ALL menial physical jobs to Asia indicates this is still alive. The most oppressed people in India and China are being jumped on by the world as the slave workers.

Foxy: BTW (Loved your "little-Girl voice"). Suits you! Theeing quuie Foxy. (my favourite "young girl" sound.)

A show of intelligence from the Pseudo famous young women who are famous for being famous. So sickening. Or would that be considered a Clive Palmer.

Foxy: Centerlink money is the backbone of the registered club and pub income stream and payments should be quarantined.

So you agree that Rent Food & Electricity should be taken out of the Dole & what's left passed on to them? Just asking.