For most of us 'freedom to pursue their aspirations' includes 'freedom to accrue economic advantage'. We're a capitalist western country aren't we?

India, Malaysia and Indonesia? None of those countries are migrant-based societies, similar to ours, so I reckon most people migrating would think they had a better chance in Australia with our small population, and track record of migrant success.

Name one recent (post 1950) migrant to India, Malaysia or Indonesia who has risen to the top of that society?

Name any number in Australia.

We may agree on the faith schools.

But I don't think there should be any faith based schools at all. Everyone should go to state schools so everyone starts from the same basis. Religions can offer add-on classes outside school times.

I don't intend this to hijack the thread, so I won't make any further comments on this.

Robert,
I never received the email you speak of, but I recall seeing press articles about the report that the government commissioned regarding the centenary of ANZAC DAY.

I was angry that the government had spent so much money and sought the opinions of various groups, including non-citizens, for their views on ANZAC DAY commemorations. There was much public outcry about this and the government tried to distance itself from the report. I suggest the government leaked the report to asses the community reaction.

I can well imagine that some people felt so incensed that they sent emails around to ensure people were aware of the report and what it contained. This is no different to people advising others of some development that may impact on their living or area.

I see Paul is quick to put One Nation in the category of a minor group that was divisive, however I recall that ON came into being because the major parties were ignoring the feelings of electors. Paul himself is a member of a minor party that had many weird policies and only exists today because Labor saw them as 'useful idiots' and passes on preferences in the Senate ballot.

What I see as dangerous are those that deliberately put forward untruths that are designed to denigrate Aus and it citizens. For example, the sweeping statements by Foxy claiming 'facts' that Aus is racist. I do not believe we should allow such to go unchallenged. These untruths are without foundation and disparage our nation. Such persons should be condemned by all.

Cossomby,

<<For most of us 'freedom to pursue their aspirations' includes 'freedom to accrue economic advantage>>
Aye, but all too often they come here crying “we are refugees”

<<India, Malaysia and Indonesia? None of those countries are migrant-based societies>>
Well they are! How do you imagine the Indians and Chinese got to Malaysia -- And the Chinese to Indonesia??

And here's a few gems you didn't see in the Lefty-pro-illegal immigration media:
--"Former prime minister Tun Mahathir Mohamed [said] ... in the 1980’s [he], wanted Malaysia to achieve a 70 million-strong population."
--" Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department, Tan Sri Nor Mohamed Yakcop, said ....'We need the critical mass of people to drive consumption-led growth.'
---"Foreigners, meanwhile, [make] up 8.2 per cent of the population at 2.3 million."

Again to this
<<, similar to ours, so I reckon most people migrating would think they had a better chance in Australia with our small population, and track record of migrant success.>>
I say: Aye but *AGAIN* all too often they come here crying “we are refugees”

And this bit: <<and track record of migrant success.>>
Is about to be servery tested with the passing of the mineral booms.

In fact, if you are in the wrong areas in many of our major cities it is already in doubt!

<<Name one recent (post 1950) migrant to India, Malaysia or Indonesia who has risen to the top of that society? >>

Irrelevant. This is one of those trick questions your side often employs. If a thread is about proving how bad and racist Oz is -you tell (preach to) us how Oz is a the racist pariah nation in the Asia-Pacific.However, if the thread is about why all the opportunists need to gatecrash Oz, the line is "well no other place will accept them"

Apologies R0bert, didnt mean to sidetrack your thread. I will refrain from doing further --unless deliberately PROVOKED by Suzie or that agent provocateur Cossomby!

"People who are in denial about racism in this country are simply ignorant. Lets look at the facts - we imprison
brown asylum seekers, we once celebrated our national day
with a white racist riot. There were assaults on Indian
students, a little political organisation called
One Nation, and of course "the intervention" - the heraldic
beak on our long hawkish treatment of Indigenous Australians".
Posted by Foxy, OLO 18-4-2014

It is a concern how these nasty and vacuous
rumours get started and by whom.?
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 24 April 2014 11:27

How hypocritical is this. Foxy wonders how these nasty and vacuous rumours get started and by whom. Some need to look in a mirror.

Re 'my side'. I am a pro-capitalist libertarian - I am happy about people wanting to come here to better themselves. I've previously argued that we should welcome economic migrants / refugees because they have an incentive to achieve.

If they are 'refugees' it means they are fleeing a situation where they are repressed and cannot archive their aspirations in their original country. If they bypass other countries to come to Australia, well, they show good judgement in having the same high regard for Australia as I do. I've pre

Malaysia etc. may have substantial numbers of Indians, Chinese, etc. but those countries were not founded as immigrant societies and do not have the immigrant make-good ethos that we do.

Actually when you talk about 'my side', it's not clear whether you are a lefty and think I'm right wing or vice versa