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Who is the bigger threat?

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I recently received one of those emails that does the rounds all to often trying to promote outrage. In this case it was a rework of one that went around in 2012 regarding "calls" to tone down Anzac day because we might upset some in the community.

As far as I can tell there was a report, it did make some reference on 3 of 96 pages to multicultural issues but not in the way the email I received suggests.

A couple of links discussing the topic for those wanting some background
http://troydavidjohnston.wordpress.com/2012/03/28/anzac-day-under-threat-by-the-tabloids/
http://www.hoax-slayer.com/anzac-day-2015.shtml

I'm left with the impression that we have more to fear from those who deliberately use lies and an important day such as Anzac day to perpetrate hate and division than we do from any in the community who may not get the relevance of Anzac day or who because of their own background may not view it the same way others do.

I'm not talking of those who in good faith pass on emails of this nature, I'm thinking of those who knowingly craft the lies and send them out.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 3:24:27 PM
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Robert,

It is important to get the sequence of events right:
1) There was a report which mooted that ANZAC Day might be divisive in a MC context [1].
2) Then, the emails did the rounds in response.

Actually, I made a comment on another thread about ANZAC Day being seen along those lines. At the time I was unaware the argument had already been aired. I was doing a bit of surmising purely on what I have come to know of the thinking of many of those pushing MC in this country.

ANZAC Day is currently very iconic and anyone who suggests it should be tampered with needs to tread carefully.So it is unlikely you will get anyone coming out and saying it has to go . What you will get is chipping around the edges

Look at it rather like those budget leaks which test the waters prior to budget release/formulation—how are they said to work?
1) You have the leak
2) If the reaction is too strong
3) You come out with a PR spiel that it was never a possibility & the critics are speaking through their hat.
4) Then BINGO! those who responded angrily get portrayed as promoters of outrage and scaremonger.

I have no doubt that there are currently no plans in the pipeline to morph ANZAC into a HARMONY DAY.Though I suspect that even now,in those schools & institutions where “progressive” elements hold sway, ANZAC Day commemorations have much more in keeping with HARMONY DAY than a traditional ANZAC DAY.

Footnote
1 Whether it was mentioned in 6 pages or 96 pages is immaterial.
Posted by SPQR, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 8:21:29 AM
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war has killed your husband
war has destrotyed your HOUSE
WAR MADE YOUR HUSBAND BOY CHILD DEPENDANT ON DRUGS..to sleep drugs to wake..drugs from the far off lands that pays for the secret wars

HE CANT Sleep at night
there is nothing regarding freaking war that is ok

or all right

war is murder theft rape pillage and plunder deface disgrace
war is hell..living hell..its the place true evil doth dwell

so YOU GOT AN EMAIL FROM A MASTER
LETS EXAMINE THIS DISASTER

OK FIRST LIMIT THE TOPIC
,,..<<..I'm not talking of those who in good faith pass on emails of this nature, I'm thinking of those who knowingly craft the lies and send them out.>>

im noting not a lot of fact/DETAIL?
but hey the topics up...flesh the topic out

<<>.I'm left with the impression that we have more to fear from those who deliberately use lies and an important day such as Anzac day to perpetrate hate and division than we do from any in the community who may not get the relevance of Anzac day or who because of their own background may not view it the same way others do.>>

YEAH..THERE ARE MANY ATHEISTS OUT THERE THAT THINK DEAD IS DEAD
well just like man made global warming..or fighting for king and cuntry is flawed..

so is the death..of the dead
here are the notes..recorded..during that first war
as the dead went to that place we all go..once they say hes dead
http://new-birth.net/booklet/Subaltern_Spirit_Land.pdf
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 10:20:16 AM
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Dear RObert,

It is a concern.

Because this ploy leads towards confrontation and
lays the foundations for attacks by certain
people and groups. Take "One Nation" as an example.
It rationalises
attitudes in these groups which have remained unaltered
and engrained for decades
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 10:59:08 AM
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ANYHOW..WHAT THE BIGGEST THREAT?
fear itself..those beating up the fears/know they lied
hugely//now..need huge fears to hide behind.,.

they ARE ABOUT TO DECLARE TIME..[WWW]WORLD WIDE WAR
and loose fastly and furiously..we welcome our new leaders
our last ones let us down.

ITS SAD RATHER THAN FUNNY/BUT ITS ALL ABOUT FIAT MONEY
or rather the extras that make the cash/that has bought about our own end..but in the who had to re-pay.

they simply made our money go away
can you prove what you own..nor can they

[its just going to be easier today]

stuf it listen to todays first hour
[28 MINUTE/MARK..ON for a fast version]
learn way to much about THE BIGGER THREAT

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/podcast.php

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6293&page=11
here are some more
http://rss.infowars.com/20140421_Mon_Alex.mp3
http://rss.infowars.com/20140422_Tue_Alex.mp3

why bother..they sleep brother
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 12:09:55 PM
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SPRQ, I've not been able to find a lunk to the actual report to get the context for myself but the commentary I've seen ( other than that repeating the general content of the email ) indicates that the content which is being used as the basis for the email is a note that there is potential for some section of the community not feeling included and it being unsettling for others. Covering the bases but no quotes that I've seen of anything suggesting toning Anzac day down. Also note the original came out during Gillard era but the revised version makes it all sound current.

OUG, the second link I provided has sample content very similar to what I received.

Foxy I get your point but at the same time I'm of the view that the opponents of One Nation were guilty of the same kind of misrepresentation to stir up fear and disquiet in the community. To the point where protests against One Nation involved physical violence against some trying to attend meetings. Misrepresentation and fear mongering are not the sole province of any one group in the political spectrum.

Have you followed any of the discussion in the US regarding attempts to outlaw lying in political campaigns? Interesting arguments both for and against. I'm in favor of political discourse being held to some kind of account but bothered by the ability for it to be misused to silence genuine discussion.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 12:25:24 PM
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