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Do we follow UK down the Islamic path?
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Posted by sonofgloin, Monday, 24 February 2014 6:41:27 PM
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Dear SOG,
This is certainly a complex problem. I've just come across the following link that deals with Middle-Eastern Australians and the problems of their integration into Australian Society. Perhaps it might help: http://www.groups.psychology.org.au/Assets/Files/ACP-24-2-Salleh-Hoddin.pdf The Reprot was done in Nov. 2012. Posted by Foxy, Monday, 24 February 2014 8:23:32 PM
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Foxy, " The question of Mr Caldwell's motivation for selecting
the DPs and the conditions under which they were accepted to this country, what was expected of them, how they were classified, and treated is well documented" What possible motivation would the largest community of Lituanians in Australia, those in Sydney, have to lie about Caldwell? Also, what possible motivation would the same community have for concealing the awful discrimination and ill-treatment you allege against the Australian governments then and following and the Australian people who generously took them in? Why too, do you only now suddenly discover that you and your parents are members of the Sydney Lithuanian community when I have quoted them before on a number of occasions and in this thread? That is odd. But even more odd has been your avoidance of even acknowledging their briefing paper on the previous occasions I have quoted from it. It just doen't gel, does it? To repeat the rather obvious, there is no evidence at all of Australia's largest Lituanian community in Sydney demanding the victimhood you have been claiming for years on this forum. They are ordinary, happy, normal Aussies going about their lives and treasuring memories and traditions, just as others do. Many who emigrated have passed on. They don't need the black armband you claim to wear on their behalf. They would be embarrassed by your un-needed, uninvited, leftie patronising view of them as victims and for what? Posted by onthebeach, Monday, 24 February 2014 8:31:18 PM
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Foxy I have been travelling for a little bit.....where is Lexi?
Posted by sonofgloin, Monday, 24 February 2014 8:44:27 PM
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Foxy "They should be immediately processed at the air-port and depending on their refugee status given asylum and be put on a contract work program as migrants were in the 1950s"
Weren't you just crying a river over that a minute ago? Now you want to revive it. Foxy, I thought you were leaving. Just came back to insult someone ("neanderthal") and contradict yourself? sonofgloin "but if the lot you are defending have their dreams realized your rights are gone....your equality gone because of gender, your freedom to voice an opinion contrary to the practice of the Koran gone" Yes, tolerance and inclusion are a two-way street. If the people we tolerate and not themselves tolerant of us (and the 6000 other minorities), we are shooting ourselves in the foot. And for no reason. We have *no* obligations to people not born here. "I don’t believe we have any more entitlement to be here than “them”....we only have a 200 odd year track record of habitation here ourselves" So what's the time limit for greater relevance? 500 years? 1000? In only 200 years White Australians/British, and virtually nobody else, built the roads, the farms, the shipyards, etc. All human societies have a notion of inheritance or legacy. This does not only apply to direct relatives, but to entire peoples/nations. Any old hominid that walks upright is *not* equally entitled to the results of "tribal" efforts. Only the biological/tribal descendents. Everyone else is a guest (or an invader). Why does this universal entitlement only apply to White countries? Japan is one of the richest countries in the world. Yet nobody disputes that its success is the result and right of the Japanese. The native Ainu minority did not build Japan. Neither did the small number of foreigners. The Japanese created Japan. It is *theirs*, not "humanity's". And Australia belongs to Australians, not "humanity". We can refuse entry to any or all foreigners, as we see fit. Posted by Shockadelic, Monday, 24 February 2014 10:40:09 PM
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Dear Shocker,
No I wasn't the one doing the crying, merely setting historical records straight. - Occupational hazard. As for insults? I wasn't referring to you dear boy - so you don't have to be concerned. But interesting that you'd think I was. Or have you had that label attached to you by someone else previously? Dear SOG, One and the same dear heart! Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 10:16:43 AM
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>>It is the social and economic marginalisation not their religious or cultural values that preclude Muslim-Australians from integrating into Australian society. Affected by a multiplicity of poor social and economic conditions, Muslim-Australians find a sense of belonging and self-worth within their own communities. Unlike the larger Australian society, these ethnic and parochial communities provide Muslim people an anchorage and identity .<<
Historically all immigrant groups start from a low socio economic base....all groups congregate geographically. But historically the Middle Easterners vary from this in one important point...none of the other immigrant groups grew their enclaves into adjoining suburb.....The Middle Easterners do not disperse but wilfully grow their non Australian anchorages and identities as the link points out.
Sure they come out to work and play....but they don’t want to live next door to the rest of us.....and that will never go away.
I don’t believe we have any more entitlement to be here than “them”....we only have a 200 odd year track record of habitation here ourselves. But we formed one nation....everybody assimilated.....except the Middle Eastern Muslims. There have been at least three generations of Muslim Middle Easterners born here since the influx of the 70’s and nothing has changed except the last generation has taken to drug crime and drive by shootings....happens weekly, sometimes daily in my city.
It is not that we took in Muslims; it is the social quality of the ignorant middle ages tribes we brought in. Smart Muslims don’t want to come to this backwater for residence.