Butcher,

"So if it is true and the employees are paid way over the odds, don't you think it may be wise for them to give a little when times are tough?"

False premise to your argument ... IT IS NOT TRUE

What bit don't you understand? Did you even read the article (posted above, twice?)

(I think you are doing a reasonable job to discredit yourself without my help)

ozdoc, yep, read the article, so i ask you, who's right, and who's wrong. Who knows!

What I do know is that if SPC comes clean and produces it's agreement, in full and for confidential parlimently scrutiny only, then I guess we will both know.

I would also question that if wages and conditions are not a contributing factor to their demise, what is, and how will a tax payer funded GIFT turn the company around, for good, because it's pointless throwing $25 million of borrowed funds, for which we will be paying the interest on, into a hole that is likely to open up agin a year or a few years down the track.

Sorry, but there are simply too many unanswered questions and unsubstantiated claims from both sides. That's right, both sides.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbott-hockey-lying-about-spc-conditions-says-liberal-mp-20140204-31zff.html
I beg for forgiveness,as a unionist I have no right to introduce the truth to such a thread .
Sorry leaving now to contemplate my sins.
If truth is unwelcome please do not read the link.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/coalition-sets-sights-on-awards/story-fn59noo3-1226818082098#mm-premium
Several posters here however will be heartened by this proof price control, that is on workers wages is on the way.
After all workers and unionists have no right to share in our nations wealth, or do they?
Starve the beggars seems a view held by some here, sarcasm? yes only defense for some comments here.

Deliberate lying by Abbott and Hockey again.
Shooting from the hip as usual.
Another foot in mouth plunder.
Abbott has lost the last bit of credibility if he ever had any.
Butch is pushing a one line fixit wages.
Abbott and Hockey have an agenda [work choices ]
What happened to the DD election, just more deliberate lies from a lier.
How long can Abbott occupy the top job, surely there are people in the noalition that can see incompetence in their leader.
3 million for a fish monger, probably a party member.

....Another foot in mouth plunder

So 579, if this turns out to be true, I guess the score is now Labor 56 to Coalition 3.

Boy they sure do have some catching up to do if you want to paint them as hopeless.

Which brings me back to the question, if wages are not the cause of their (SPC) demise, what is? And more importantly, why are you wanting us to throw more money into a bottomless pit?

I will start a thread on just that, I welcome you and others along.