cont'd ...

"For years the Coalition refused to explain how it would
execute its "stop the boats" policy, implying Australians
should merely trust that it could. Its policies and actions
have strained relations with Indonesia and cruelled the
prospects of thousands of asylum seekers and existing
refugees in Australia, and now we have breached sovereignty.
Trust, need we remind the government is a precious thing."

You people just seem to be overlooking one very crucial fact, HIOW DO WE PAY FOR THEM WHEN WE CAN'T EVEN PAY FOR OUR OWN!

Our health service is in dire straights.

Our education system is failing with lack of funding being one major problem.

Our old age pensioners are not far from being on the streets.

Our unemployment rate is poised to go through the roof.

Confidence in job security is low.

Our homeless are suffering badly. The list goes on, yet, many of you people are worried about how to best care for these uninvited gate crashers.

By all means have a golden heart, but remember, without spare money they are simply meaningless words.

The only solution for us is to stop the boats, period!

The other alternative is to start deciding what to cut in the way of funding to our own people, the very people who provide the funding, much of which is being channelled into fighting this fiasco.

A situation that has been brought upon us by sheer incompetence, by the very government that most of you do-gooders support.

It needs to end and so far, unlike the past three labor governments, Tony Abbott is proving to be more than just a man of meaningless words.

No Australian Sailor burnt any refugee.
Refugees burnt their hands, most likely, trying to sabotage the boats engine or after being advised to via phone from this country.
My youth briefly saw me used to twist the truth this way, the then meat workers union was a communist one and told 4 youths me being one, to lie to make manager look bad and justify a strike.
Those tactics live still do not fall for the very lost very few who will live by the mantra the end justifies the means , it never will.
We should not let a lie see an undermining of our Navy.

Steelie: Persistent little fellow aren't we.

Of course, but when you're right, you're right. Aren't I. ;-)

steelie: It is not illegal for a genuine refugee to enter a country without full documentation full stop.

I don't think myself or anyone on here suggested otherwise. What we object to is the method they employ to get here. you seemingly over look that & whinge about the other. Deflection.

What we object too is; Documentation. They would have had documentation to enter Indonesia, yet, strangely, they have none when they get here. Does that tell you something?

They have crossed multiple boarders which negates any refugee status. (See UNCHR Article 31.)

The refugees have endangered themselves, the lives of women & children by boarding unseaworthy boats. (Crime: Endangerment)

Most, from Ceylon are economic refugees.

Indonesia is a good country, (hic). It's supports Islam. Why can't they settle there? Indonesia would be a far more suitable country than Australia as far as their religion & customs go.

I see Arjay is back from Syria too, have you said hello yet.

Hi Belly,

<< No Australian Sailor burnt any refugee.>> Copy that.

I feel that something simple and obvious has been missed in this debate, mostly due the flaring up of emotion that has shrouded common sense.

Indo fishing boats are notorious for their exposed engine bay which is also top mounted and aft. The engine exhausts are vertical mounted and go up through the rear cabin and out through the roof.

For the inexperienced it is very common in choppy weather, to grab what they think is a pole and burn their hands on the exhaust pipe. The ADF report treating passengers with existing and similar injuries before the turnback.

Looking at the injuries from the ABC footage it is clear that the burns are across the palm through to the area between thumb and forefinger, a common “grip” style injury.

I suspect that following an ADF inquiry these conclusions will be the cause of much egg on face.

I’m disgusted that those who sign up to take a bullet for us are treated so badly, but I’m also sure they will have their day very soon

Foxy my sweet, you have got all this quite wrong. Respect for national borders is a two way street.

We need to treat our neighbors with the respect they deserve. That is, the respect they earn.

While they continue to allow their nationals to invade our border, there is absolutely no reason to give them any respect. In fact, returning the compliment might be the best response.

For years their fishing boats have invaded our territorial waters, illegally fishing where we don't permit our own fisherman to fish.

Their national are invading our territory with paying passengers, is boats not suitable or licensed to carry passengers. They display no respect for us, & are due a bit of a wake up call.

I think they may be learning we now have a government who will not allow this disrespect of our boarders to continue.

It is now time to bring the message home. We should put the ABC, & SBS on notice. If they continue to broadcast the type of lies they are becoming famous for, their funding should be cut by say $250,000, for each airing.

If they can not clean up their act, & start acting in the national interest, they would rapidly be unfunded, & good riddance.