uog,
How many road deaths are there, I'm sure the rate is way higher than that of smokers. I have heard of passive smokers but no where near as many deaths from passive smoking than from passive road accidents.
We have way too high a population so why not let the smokers go for it. Same for druggies, they should all be required to have their own health insurances instead of depleteing the health resources of the people with self control.
What about authority induced stress then ? That probably kills even more people than smoking & road deaths put together, where's the outrage there ?

lymphoma has over come breast cancer..as highest cause..of death[as they are both..included..in death by smoking/numb-ers.

cancer is cancer?
[There IS..43 types..of lymphoma cancer]

http://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunday-night/video/#fop

its called
'the power of love'
currently its on this page
http://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunday-night/video/
..the current 'best practice'..that failed..[in the power of love..

[after going the normal route..of radiation
and tcell that often fails..but negass sold as some miracle-cure]
the very next day..in short the other cure..that worked after negass cure failed..and is in danger of being lost in the chatter yet agai

see this..is how big medi-sin works
someone finds a cure..that works/but the media..goes for the propaganda/spin..of the old way

why govts...NEED..give a subsidy..for nicoteen gum..[and patches]
becomes more clear when we notice the inspiration[rational] of the big pharma lobby..for a crackdown on smokers

to get they new subsidy

why?

they are loosing..their old ones
need..more money

FDA Suddenly Bans Drugs
That Have Been On The Market For Decades

http://www.activistpost.com/2011/03/fda-suddenly-bans-drugs-that-have-been.html
..Big Pharma's patents are beginning to expire,..and the drug companies are freaking out.

*For years they have been spending..more money on research..and testing..and getting..fewer results.

This year alone..[2011]..11 patents expired fv on drugs..that bring in approximately..$50 billion in revenue to the big pharma firms.

Of course,..the flip side to this is that consumers can start saving about 95% on.the price of those drugs,..as generics hit the market.

More than 2,000 vaccinated ..babies died:
The cost of doing business

http://www.naturalnews.com/031820_vaccinations_babies.html

*the real news..Is never reported:
more than 2,000 babies died..in the United States after receiving pneumococcal and Hib vaccines..yet authorities refuse to warn parents and halt production.

A safety review is vital....as the..Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), ..ointly operated by the FDA and CDC, has received more than 59,000 reports of adverse reactions to pneumococcal and Hib vaccines during the past several years.

More than half of these cases -30,094- required hospitalization, with 2,169 deaths.

About 95 percent of these deaths were in children under three years of age.

its so easy to change the death numbers
no doudt..*all died by smoking

OUG please explain away this stat from the American Lung Association.

"Smoking, a main cause of small cell and non-small cell lung cancer, contributes to 80 percent and 90 percent of lung cancer deaths in women and men, respectively. Men who smoke are 23 times more likely to develop lung cancer. Women are 13 times more likely, compared to never smokers."
We wont even mention the stats for the myriad of other preventable diseases caused by smoking.

INDI..i just get..the run around..[SPUn/numbers]

http://www.bitre.gov.au/statistics/safetY/fatal_road_crash_database.aspx
goes to
http://www.bitre.gov.au/statistics/index.aspx
sO..I GO TO
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_Australia_by_year

''..5.78, or 5.73..''..per 100,000
ONCE YOU TAKE OUT MODIFIERS..LIKE THOSE who died by drive/SMOKING.

The age-standardised*..suicide rate..in 2010
was 10.5 deaths per 100,000 population
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Products/3309.0~2010~Chapter~Suicide+in+Australia?OpenDocument

22,526 suicide deaths..*registered
in Australia over the 10 years between 2001 and 2010.

ALP
Laurie Ferguson

""The Centers for [USA}..Disease-Control..<<esti*mate>>..that 443,000 people a year die..in the United States..as a result of cigarette smoking.

That is related to an..,,>>*estimate*<<
that eight* million Americans
will die.""

""They note:

More deaths..by tobacco use..than by
all deaths from human..immunodeficiency virus(HIV),
illegal drug use,alcohol use*,[*think about..that one]..motor vehicle injuries,suicides,..and murders combined.""

note what is excluded?

ie..abortions...war..
and..other*..sickness*..

NOTE..{extracted QUOTE
from next speaker}

""Tobacco-related deaths account/for
..*approximately*..''15 per cent...*of all deaths""..!

back to/previous speaker

''This is indeed..a very serious area
of public/policy...[20 BILLION/REVENUE..YES..Of course]

..Our nation has been..at the forefront..in this area""

so serious..THAT..THE*disease control center*
*excludes*...*other diseases..!

""..perfidious industry.""

meaning:..deceitful..and untrustworthy
surely this..is pot/kettle..stuff?

""So there has been...very long-term action*[read preemptioN/SPIN]..
by governments..in this country...

I think Australia..and South-Africa were amongst..the countries that were most draconian..with some of these measures..many decades ago.""

yes ..a selective/LOBBY/hate-base..helps

get racists..to hate..*smokers
and..bobs ya uncle..

""The background..to this..is a COAG agreement""

""..As I said,the health figures..are very persuasive:""

{smoking is.....*attributable..}..

""...*20 per cent..!
of all cancer-deaths..in general""

""tough regulations..have restricted
their*..ability to make money""

and we..dole it out..like candy
to those hating..*smokers

NOTE
re indexing..ANNUAL price increases
above*indexed/inflation

told you..it would catch on

here in qld
PUBLIC transport prices..*HAVE BEEN INDEXED
for the next 3 years..at 15 %..[compounding]

see..i told you...!

the media..serve the interests of state..COMMERCE..WAR..and corporate powers..which are closely interlinked,..framing their reporting and analysis..in a manner supportive of..established privilege..and limiting debate..and discussion accordingly."-- Noam Chomsky

but
back to quotes

ALP
Melissa Parke

""At that time a review.*under the guidance*..of the then parliamentary secretary for health,Trish Worth,seemed to conclude that..no change was required.

I say ‘seemed’..because..no report was prepared""

*to the public..!

""as a result of..the review..and the inquiry submissions..
were not made public.""

feed the sheeple spin
have..meetings in secret

hear the lobby..and make..no PUBLIC CONCLUSIONS
sound familour?

OUG mate please!
You need to focus on you not me.
And by the way last beer single stubby was on new years night, next same, will be Australia Day.
Kidneys mate need looking after, never been a drunk.
You are trying to tell us science is wrong you are right.
I too while in hospital with the then undiagnosed Q Fever heard a room mate all day saying *if only I had given up smoking I would have seen my grand kids grow up*
A week away from finding out what I had I used his words and my illness to give the habit away.
Think as you want but do not put other down for not agreeing.
I remind our author of my warning this thread would get heated enough not to need a light.

Belly, G'day old mate. you and I are both at the age now where for many of us "the chickens start to come home to roost" 2013 was a bad year for me health wise, with a heart attack in August, 12 days in hospital and 3 days more in November to have a stint put in. The very first question my doctor asked me in hospital was "Do you smoke?", "No", "Good that puts you in front for starters."
I have lost 2 mates to cancer, one lung and one throat over the past 2 years both heavy smokers.
If you ain't got your health, you've got nothing. SO it GOOD HEALTH to you in 2014.