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Is someone willing to give cigarettes the butt?

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So what do you know, we have a couple of drunks on here.

They want to ban tobacco, they obviously don't use it, but not alcohol, which they obviously do,

How bloody lefty can you get. A bit like the Greens wanting to ban a prayer, they don't use it.

Talk about little would be dictators.
Posted by Hasbeen, Monday, 20 January 2014 10:06:30 AM
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do you recall..EVER hearing
we have a cure..for cancer
or a cancer cure..is only..a few years away..etc etc

[they have been..saying it for decades]
thing is curing cancer..has never been closer
think why..[more cash-flow..in suppressing symptom/than a cure]

now..just..as/a cure is more in-sight..than ever
now they CHOSE to ban it..
[or rather chose..to attack it]
or rather..tax it

thing is..ONLY one quarter..of the most..'obvious'
smoking related..cancers..ie lung cancers are smoking related

3/4 ARNT..smoking related
yet all are attributable..as smoking deaths
[ie ITS A LIE}..a profitable taxable lie

see all/the spin
i have..been exposing

why the spin?
to get a new tax
and vilify harmless smokers..HURTING NO-one

drunks do/more damage
auto's do/more damage
why is prostitution..BOOZE.and gambling just fine a..nd dandy

but smokers..are vile and evil
must be taxed/killed..into quitting..govt steals my tax..feeds me some guy coughing up..strawberry jam..pathetic,

his cough..isnt even believable
why arnt our suppliers..taking govt to court for the lies[lib/shareholders?]

we see a cows artery..filled with margarine
or some guy..with tooth problems teeth..mate aint that neat
i got yellow teeth..with smokers breath..but NOThING LIKE THE ADVERT

how many smokers got teeth like that?
any dentist could tell ya it aint smoking what donbe that
those teeth come from too much acid..[ie softdrink or orange juice]
those teeth..are in some kids mouth..!

their mother/father fed them..juice/lollies/softdrink
not tobacco

or how about the guy..with black toes
mate thats some mountain climber..with gangrenous toes

HOW YA THINK SOME JURY..WILL REACT TO THOSE LIES

dont be joking
lawyers wont represent us
because they*.are the PROBLEM

but all it takes is truth to be revealed
we are still one third the population..one of us will be on the jury
or know a smoker and be forced into compulsory tax because of that

BUT ITS ALL BASED ON A LIE/fear/spin..[sin].
tax by guilt

shame blame lies
and ever..more taxes

you talk..about alternatives ..lol
yeah like chewing gum..priced by lawyers?

how hard is it..to take suger..out of gum
and throw in...a few ciggie butts?

then charge us ten times..the price of real/chewing gum?
Why..make it SO EXPENSIVE..CAUSE ITS ADDICTive..and they can..
Posted by one under god, Monday, 20 January 2014 10:09:35 AM
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Hasbeen
Isn't it equally dicatorial to keep the Lord's Prayer and to insist it remain just because a small group want it. Religion is a private matter. It really is that simple. Does it make our politicians more honest?
Posted by pelican, Monday, 20 January 2014 10:12:43 AM
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i dont know.any smoker..in hospital
NAME NAMES..how many you got?..WHAT..PROOF/SMOKING CAUSE?

how about..those abusing sugar..asbestos/micrO-PARTICULATE.
who need medical aid..for diabetes
are..they stealing from you..too?

or those people need..their blood washed
every/day..they stealing from YOU?

are they paying tax..on the cause..of their disease
reviled by all..blamed for everything
advertised..by ridicule..and insult

smokers go to hospital..TO DIE.told you did it t..o you ..GO-AWAY
who else cops that..how many obese..DONT OVEREAT THEIR WAY INTO SICKNESS?

but no we/must protect..the sugar industry
must/not tax lollies..or transfats..or booze..OR LAZYNESS.

mate..if law..really helped
this lie couldnt..have got started

but they been..sheparding..the lie..for revenue..
ASK YOURSELF WHY

think of..the ruling in usa
that forced..the companies to payout
EVEN THAT..WE SMOKERS PAID FOR..PLUS..TAX..ON TOP.

how come other..multinationals appeal
and get off..but was all..that spin ever appealed?

why not?

we pay our way
stop giving..the money to the media/PRESSTITUTES....for adverts that lie

put the tax..WE ARE FORCED TO PAY..into health..for smokers
but no..we get told you stink..go to hell

is govt..allowed to declare war
on its..OWN PEOPLE..via lies?

you swallowed/the coolaid..and we get abuse..and a new tax

IS IT BANNED NOW?
then whats..the problem..if its really bad..ban it
but there..is no proof its bad...so we get sold spin/lies..via adverts

drinkers..are the..real problem

go to..the emergency center
on any friday...or saterday night

you will see..glassing/rapes/bashing's/cuts/BLOOD GUTS
the result..of violence..and drink

we got real-problems...mainly..that lawyers
[processional-liars]..are running..poli-tricks
spinning spin..to get ever more..shame/blaME/guilt taxes..

RECALL..the ozone-hole..will cause global heating
now..the earth is melting..CURE.give us a new tax..
because now .its carbon..not ozone?

cant you see..this spin..for ever/new taxes]..
will be the death..of all of us

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11283&page=0
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3851&page=0
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2696&page=0
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2905&page=0

cant find..that time/the libs..planned a smokers tax
that julia..roxon..hurriedly..adopted
then we got..the adverts

just like..adverts spin
the miners used..to not*..get their tax

then we..get a foolish/nurse..who thinks...she knows iT ALL
SHE THINKS SHE..IS a docter..SHE THINKS..THAT ALL CANCER..IS FROM SMOKING..all evil..from..me.

NEVER Actually studied nuthin/RELated../BUT OPINION..yet.has her high horse..[me]..she loves riding..well be warned..you smoker LOBBIest
*medicine causes..MORE DEATHS..THAN Smoking.

be wary..of who..you LIE.WITH
your ..souls merge/YOU WILL..SPEND ETERNITY..IN THEIR HELL..[FACT..not threat]..[lest we..fORGET].
Posted by one under god, Monday, 20 January 2014 10:35:17 AM
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Some responses have been very well thought through - so thank you to those people. Others however - who seem to be partners with large tobacco companies, in opinion have not. I thought my original introduction, which was based on a true story would have changed these people's minds - when clearly it hasn't.

I now feel the need to say something. There clearly are a range of damages caused by smoking and using tobacco products. Some include:

1. Medical impacts in general. All types of smoking are bad for your health. There are multiple websites to back this up. Visit: http://betobaccofree.hhs.gov/health-effects/smoking-health/

2. Medical problems and children - smoking will affect their future. This can't be good for future generations. Visit: http://www.asthmaaustralia.org.au/smoking.aspx

3. The impacts on running a business and our economy. This is not free. http://www.smh.com.au/national/smokers-cost-employers-3000-a-year-each-20130617-2od7l.html

4. So many people don't see the emotional impacts of smoking related illnesses on the individual, families and friends - particularly when someone dies or is left lying in hospital. Read a persons story and other comments at: http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Lost-My-Father-To-Cancer/62656

There are just so many reasons at the present moment to why cigarette and tobacco products should be phased out in Australia. To those who want smoking kept legal in Australia - realise people like myself, don't want to see you die and we are actually caring about your future.
Posted by NathanJ, Monday, 20 January 2014 10:40:28 AM
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As one of the legion of ex-smokers, I feel very sorry for those who for whatever reason are unable to give it up. But I refuse to join the control-freaks who want to ban it. Freedom to indulge in activities such as smoking, drinking, driving SUVs (and occasionally running over the odd child while backing out of the driveway), is a staple of our civilized society. Selecting one particular "vice" to be banned can only lead to the mindset that says "ban everything we (that is, I) don't like".

This form of totalitarianism suits the outlook of the kind of people who want others to make all their decisions for them, just like mummy and daddy used to. Actually taking exclusive responsibility for their own actions, rather than investing their energies in involving themselves in everyone else's, seems to be an alien concept.

Freedom is a delicate flower. We often don't realize how lucky we are to have it. We should exercise it carefully.
Posted by Pericles, Monday, 20 January 2014 10:52:39 AM
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