Steely, we know people like you, & your fellow travelers would ditch their papers, lie, cheat & connive, to get whatever they want out of the taxpayer.

Hadn't you figured out it is to stop a flood of people like you entering Oz, that we want to stop the boats?

Somehow, this discussion has become peculiarly cyclical in terms of what's asseverated by one opinion to the other ?

Do these asylum seekers who arrive by boat, have a authentic case for protection, notwithstanding what methods they may employ to get that protection eg, repudiating all attempts of ID ?

Or, are most of these boat arrivals, engaged in a course of conduct calculated to deceive the Australian government from making fact-based enquiries in order to correctly and accurately, determine their ID and legitimacy for protection ?

We'd have to be quite vacuous and imbecilic, not to believe, some of those we've already turned away, A R E legitimate refugees deserving of our total protection. Consequently, we've consigned these poor buggers to a life of hell, to the extent they even still have a life ?

Conversely, there would be no doubt either that, some of these people we've already processed and allowed entry, A R E potential terrorists, criminals and commercial crooks and malingerers !

Seemingly, we here in Oz are very well disposed, at getting it patently wrong when choosing the correct ethnic and religious blend, together with the right personal qualities and character, of some of our emigrants !

RECHTUB!
No way around it your understanding of this subject is wanting!
You must know while apparently not understanding your self, I know Rudd,s plan back to front.
It erk,s me that you put comment like that out then insult me for unlike your self understanding the following.
Australia has a problem.
Indonesia has one too
Malaysia too has one.
Australia my proud and great country has no call over the other two.
The plan, here is the area of your difficulty, was to in part reward Malaysia too for helping us steam the flow.
Rechtub you owe me that beer and its your shout!
Short term we AUSTRALIA would have taken in say twenty thousand.
And sent say 5.00o no more surely less, over there.
At this point in time, make mine 4x, surely the financial refugees would, after seeing their ten grand wasted stop coming copy so far? none of those pots thanks I want a pint.
Rechtub we did not use the plan because Tony said he did not want to send kids there.
I will bet you a carton of 4x stubbies he would rush right now to use that plan if he can find a way to make it look like his idea.
We both want to stop the boats.
We both are appalled at the costs and that will hurt us all once we are told the full costs.
Our coast guard can find better things to do.
Calm down and look at the issue see behind the Malaysian solution, it was to unite three country,s in a true solution to end forever this trade.
Look at the current costs, compare them with a plan that rids us of temporary homes and all the social welfare costs.
Malaysia was the yellow and black cheaper version, an end forever to the boats.
It remains the best cost cutting and effective plan I have seen

Belly - About problems.
Indonesia has one too.
Malaysia too has one.

Australia has a problem because the other 2 countries LET the people in knowing full well they were not going for a HOLIDAY but were going to hop on boats to Australia

Here is an amusing summary of Australia, Indonesia relations the more we give the more they want and want to do nothing to get things.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/indonesia-when-were-sorry-its-not-enough-when-were-generous-we-need-to-try-harder/story-fni0cwl5-1226806143020

Dear SPQR,

Normally I would be getting fired up being repeatedly called a liar, particularly when you haven't given one instance to back the accusation up but all I'm feeling is sorrow for you mate.

Look at what you have become, someone who rails against any description that might humanise these poor people, they are after all just that, human beings. You would much rather tag them with shonks, illegals, scammers, rather than what the majority really are, refugees seeking protection.

I used a Christian in my scenario and it seems to have cut you to the quick. Why? Because anything that might elicit empathy in other Australians for these unfortunate human beings is an anathema to you. That is sad.

Whether they have made the journey because of persecution or dire economic circumstances might make a difference on whether they are accepted as refugees in this country but not on whether we treat them as human beings.

Dear Belly,

You talk about your proud and great country. While the leaders of Canada and India boycotted Commonwealth summit held in Sri Lanka late last year and the British PM fired of broadside after broadside condemning that county's continuing human right violations we gave them naval warships. What the hell does that make us? A country that is prepared to piss all over a long history condemning human rights abuses, a country that is so bloody wrapped up in its own self interest that we have stooped so low. To do this because for any reason is bad enough but to do it because of of a few thousand refugees is so depressing. What are we becoming?

Dear o sung wu,

I think what Australians tend to get so wrong is our choices of politicians. This is an issue that was cynically fanned by both sides for political gain. I truly think that under a different principled and ethical leader I would not be seeing a bloke like you, one who I believe to be essentially decent, talking about our refugees as part of an Indonesian plot to Islamise our country.

Philip the views I have expressed here are ones I truly believe in 100 percent.
We do not often talk and your post tells why.
It is my view while you can think what ever you want.
Your views are combative towards other nations , blaming them and even ignoring their rights as sovereign Nations.
In all things, country to country government to government talks shouts how, and see,s much more respect than you wish to give.
I see no benefit in asking you to consider the word diplomacy or understanding the need for it.
So leave the thread rather than limit my thinking on yet another subject
How ever we all should understand a peaceful world demands mutual respect, compromise, and every one being heard in country,s views.