alanpoi,

Can't argue with that; good advice too. Yep: You have tagged the eleventh commandment. :-)

The twelfth commandment ...

What is significant I posit about Islam vesus Christianity. Is that for many Muslims, is the Western Englightenment. However, circa. the tenth century the Arabs were more advanced than the West in science, liberalism and tolerance. Yet, the Muslims seem to have regressed. Luckily, the yoke of religionism was loosened as secvular science started to prove some real understanding.

The above said, I feel historically relihion has performed an important organistaional role taking us from tribalism to the monarchical state. Perhaps, country states are heterogeneous. between religious and secular. Globalisation will be a challenge. In the next century or two, we have a choice between global secularisation and major conflicts between the monotheists. Further, the West might not monopolise the agenda. Thus, the outcome is unclear.

It would be good to see a fully secularised world by say 2300. Else, savage disharmonies will continue, continue, and, continue.

Love does not need a God.



O.

DB,

Can you please see earlier post? Please articulate those characateristics which made Jesus beyond special, unique, in his human capacity; not merely a highly actualised person.

DB and All,

The silence suggests that DB cannot differentiate Jesus. This would seem problematic for relionigists.

TEAM.. :) blessed are those who can extract the nth degree of humor from a simple analogy !

Good on ya's all.. I never thought a simple story about a fruit tree could being so many smiles.

Alan..sorry if it seemed I was not responding mate.... not deliberate.

Pericles is in good pedantic form.. but I need to 'counsel' him on one point.

"So you choose to include the evil you see in Islam, but reject that which also occurs in Christianity."

Now.. P, it is you who is loose on things here.

1/ I choose to see the evil in the 'fundamenal documentary foundation' of Islam..which reports the behavior of Mohammad and sets down guidelines for human society which I find astonishingly horrible.
2/ "Christianity" simply does not contain such things, in terms of the documentary foundation, or the founder. CHRISTENDOM as a social historical force, definitely has a bad prawn or 3 among the good ones.

But I'm not comparing 'the historical unfolding of Islam' with the same thing in Christianity...I'm drawing comparisons between the founder, foundation and early outworking of those things.

TOPIC... but in this particular case...I'm showing just how whacky and megalomaniacal can some people be in the name of religion, and how we must constantly be on guard over things said to us which demand our alleigance.

Quiboloy is a very STARK example of a man (Like many, but not all, Televangelists)who has inverted the faith for his own personal benefit.. glory, authority, even claiming SONSHIP to God in a way which places he himself at the very HEAD of all things Christian in this world.
If he said "God has called me to serve the poor, please share in this ministry by your giving" ok... but when he claims all authority and RICHES on earth..... aaah.. he needs to be verbally hit for six.

Google him.

"The Appointed Son of God".....(indeed)..
"the Holy Father declared to the whole world that He has found His residence here on earth—His Son, in the person of Pastor Apollo C. Quiboloy" (Shudder)

BD -
"1/ I choose to see the evil in the 'fundamenal documentary foundation' of Islam..which reports the behavior of Mohammad and sets down guidelines for human society which I find astonishingly horrible.
2/ "Christianity" simply does not contain such things, in terms of the documentary foundation, or the founder. CHRISTENDOM as a social historical force, definitely has a bad prawn or 3 among the good ones."

Your continued refusal to accept the contents of the OT as being relevant would suggest that you don't accept that the Jesus of the NT is one with the father of the OT. Not what I would have expected from your stance on other theological issues.

Is the Jesus of the NT one with the god of the OT?
Did the Jesus of the NT reject or fulfill the actions and decrees of the god of the OT?

Your continued avoidance of the issues around the god of the OT by pointing to the NT does not fit with what most christains would claim about Jesus and the OT.

R0bert

Robert,

Good comment. What Boaz likes to ignore is that the OT arguments were used by followers of Christianity to kill others (Hitler and even the infallible popes like Urban II).There are no good or evil religious practices Boaz there is only good and bad people. Religion like everything mirrors what they have inside.

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Peace,