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Lady Di ' Unlawful Killing'

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Some 10yrs after the death of Lady Dianna Spencer,a judicial inquest was held into her death. Most of us still don't know the true out come of this 11 man jury. Dianna left a note describing almost exactly how she would die. The press blamed the Paparazzi but the Jury found that a Fiat Uno and several motor cycle riders were to blame for her death.

Even with the exclusion of much evidence,this 11 man jury found that her death was not accidental but an 'unlawful killing' See the documentary that was banned in Great Britian and will give you an insight into the power of the Royal Family. See documentary http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=recx20nisKU
Posted by Arjay, Saturday, 4 January 2014 7:26:57 PM
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Sorry wrong Link This is part one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzmk1E6QmE
Posted by Arjay, Saturday, 4 January 2014 10:09:40 PM
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Arjay,
it really is of no consequence to us how this sheilah ended up. She obviously enjoyed the lifestyle but couldn't handle the discipline required. Anyhow, she lived more in a week than most of us do in a lifetime.
Posted by individual, Sunday, 5 January 2014 6:46:58 AM
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Other evidence was presented in the media that journalists rode the bikes and drove the car.
Our hunger to know more than we need to about famous people in the end killed Lady Di
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 5 January 2014 7:13:52 AM
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She died because the local road authorities were saving money by not fitting guard rails along the pillars, simple as that.
Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 5 January 2014 9:07:04 AM
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What is all the fuss about.

Did this woman ever do anything other than screw a prince, [& a whole lot of other blokes on the side].

Why would anyone want to remember her, let alone celebrate her?
Posted by Hasbeen, Sunday, 5 January 2014 10:27:55 AM
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I would not believe anything i saw on utube. There is also implications about philip. That makes it all b/s for a start no need to go any further.
Posted by 579, Sunday, 5 January 2014 10:46:26 AM
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Maybe look first at her drunken limo driver who was exceeding the speed limit. Then think about the needless cat and mouse game with the media.

Constantly amazed at how some celebrities can invite such attention from the media, especially photographers, when others do not. Although Di did lead an 'interesting' life. Her choices.

The pulp industry serves its women customers and all celebrities are going to be put through the wringer. Never reacting must be very hard to do. Arguably though, some celebrities must get jollies somehow from their tussles, and cat and mouse game with the media.

It isn't only the media. There is an industry keeping this stuff alive and there is big money in it.
Posted by onthebeach, Sunday, 5 January 2014 12:13:55 PM
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Gee aren't we surrounded by idiots. This is the jury's finding. It was an unlawful killing. Dianna left a note saying how she was going to be killed.

All I see are fools who have not even viewed the doco and ignore the evidence. The Jury said the paparazzi were not even there. Crucial evidence was left out. The Judges have sworn allegiance to the Crown. How can they be unbiased? All the CCTV cameras were turned off. It took them hours to get Dianna to hospital. Why did not Philip and Charles testify? The anomalies go on and on.

Really smart people. You bag a doco before even viewing it.
Posted by Arjay, Sunday, 5 January 2014 12:34:26 PM
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Arjay,

Sorry to disagree with you but I usually take the simplest explanation first. Her driver was drunk and exceeding the speed limit. Some celebrities do play a damned foolish game of cat and mouse with the media, which includes high speed. The most obvious, likely persons spinning to avoid liability would be those who supplied the driver and gave orders.

Thinking about the time it takes for a motor accident victim to get to hospital, long delays are witnessed on Aussie roads daily as emergency workers struggle to separate the victims from the vehicles and stabilise them for transport. Just a few km over or a bit of arrogance at the wheel and there is likely a painful death awaiting. People who take risks on the road might think again if they could accept that reality.

Consider also the vehicle. If that Mercedes was being driven in compliance with traffic laws and with due care and attention, it would be very difficult, impossible, to imagine involvement in such a crash and with such devastating consequences.
Posted by onthebeach, Sunday, 5 January 2014 12:50:32 PM
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So Arjay, was she wearing her seat belt?
Posted by Yabby, Sunday, 5 January 2014 1:16:26 PM
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Hasbeen if you reconsider your post.
Then remember just what Di did, including her actions against land mines.
Then the world wide distress at her death, the mountains of flowers you must come to understand your thoughts are yours, not the worlds.
What ever should have been done in the tunnel if we did not fund those journalists she would not have died.
Only the truly uniformed do not know her drunk driver was trying to out run journalists.
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 5 January 2014 1:19:57 PM
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"This is the jury's finding. It was an unlawful killing."

This is from the introduction of Lord Justice Scott Barker's Ruling on Verdicts in the Coroner's Inquests into the Deaths of Diana, Princess of Wales and Mr Dodi al Fayed:

"1. I propose to leave the following verdicts to the jury:-
(1) Unlawful killing (grossly negligent driving of the paparazzi);
(2) Unlawful killing (grossly negligent driving of the Mercedes);
(3) Unlawful killing (grossly negligent driving of the paparazzi and grossly
negligent driving of the Mercedes);
(4) Accidental death;
(5) Open verdict."

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20090607230252/http://www.scottbaker-inquests.gov.uk/docs/ruling_on_verdicts_270308.pdf

Which of the unlawful killings was it Arjay?

By the way the comments from page 7 dealing with allegations of Unlawful Killing: Staged Accident and Mohaned al Fayed's allegations is especially relevant.
Posted by WmTrevor, Sunday, 5 January 2014 1:25:00 PM
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sorry, lousy typing... "Mohamed al Fayed's allegations"
Posted by WmTrevor, Sunday, 5 January 2014 1:27:41 PM
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Dear Arjay,

Perhaps this link helps answer some of the questions:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/08/world/europe/08diana.html?_r=0
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 5 January 2014 1:44:48 PM
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So you believe the lying trash written in the NY times? If you view the doco the driver was sober. The blood sample was not even his.
Posted by Arjay, Sunday, 5 January 2014 2:40:10 PM
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How could anyone do that amount of damage to a Mercedes 280 in a city? What speed? What dumb-ass recklessness and poor judgement.

The driver was a mug lair. In his earlier days he should have been pulled out of the car and given a bloody good flogging for being one. But no-one ever did that. No-one ever showed him the error of his ways and he eventually killed people.

What was wrong with the passengers that they did not tell him to pull over and they would take a cab instead? They were mugs. Smart maybe, but mugs nonetheless.

Time for the ratbag media and women's mags to stop glorifying Di's death and make her accountable for her own choices and actions. How else can the young learn to think, say no and mean it, and if necessary, take action?
Posted by onthebeach, Sunday, 5 January 2014 3:24:01 PM
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saving money by not fitting guard rails along the pillars
is Mise,
So it's the local Council's fault now is it ? Why not blame Mercedes for not building cars for speeding celebrities & make them crash proof ?
Of course we can't expect the celebrities to be discrete. The Councils really should make tunnels for them so they can evade the papparazi.
Posted by individual, Sunday, 5 January 2014 4:04:46 PM
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Indy Pillars in a tunnel are no different than trees along the roadside which have cables protecting them, from would be tree damagers One day qld might get around to that too, within the next 100 years.
Posted by 579, Sunday, 5 January 2014 4:14:57 PM
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The driver Jean Paul was pissed, the security agent failed to stop him driving. What more does anyone want to know?

Drunken driver kills! So what is new?
Posted by spindoc, Sunday, 5 January 2014 5:02:18 PM
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Dear Arjay,

It isn't a question of what I believe but what the
jury found to be the case by the evidence presented
and as reported accurately by The New York Times
and other major newspapers.
Here are two more links that may clarify things for you:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/apr/07/diana.monarchy

And -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25411162

And -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/7328754.stm

Of course your preference may be to believe in conspiracy
theories - and to consider any of the reporting of the jury
findings as "trash." But to most of us - (including Prince
William and Harry) the jury findings stand.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 5 January 2014 5:03:06 PM
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All over NSW highways have guard rails at danger points, just in case someone runs off the road, had the relevant French authorities fitted them so that a car could not hit a pillar then the consequences would have been a Merc needing a bit of panel beating and a partial re-spray; instead millions of sheets of good paper have been wasted.
Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 5 January 2014 6:52:49 PM
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One day qld might get around to that too, within the next 100 years.
579,
At what stage should the taxpayer stop babysitting & ask people to grow up & become somewhat responsible & sensible ?
Posted by individual, Sunday, 5 January 2014 8:25:53 PM
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Self praise is no recommendation.
And in talking about my workplace memory's I inflict pain on my self, as I too often saw death on our roads and too good men breakdown after seeing too much.
As I have said over 70 deaths and history of the *highway of death* the then as it once was Pacific Highway.
Every event never should have taken place, every one saw the blame transferred to the road.
But sleep deprivation drugs and grog all contributed speed was over represented and yes pure happiness killed too.
Folk bound for their holiday fun lost concentration of raced to get here ASAP.
Any of these deaths would be spoken of still if Di had been in one of those,
Conspiracy theory's need fame to grow ordinary folk do not see their deaths used this way
Posted by Belly, Monday, 6 January 2014 5:54:35 AM
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Indy It would be good if people were responsible, but sometimes you have to idiot proof our infrastructure and that does cost money.
Posted by 579, Monday, 6 January 2014 6:18:14 AM
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There's another great year of conspiracy-theory immersion in prospect for you Arjay, if you continue to be as gullible this year as you have been in the past.

>>Gee aren't we surrounded by idiots. This is the jury's finding. It was an unlawful killing. Dianna left a note saying how she was going to be killed.<<

The jury found that it was an unlawful killing, in the narrowest of interpretations, not that she was murdered by the Duke of Edinburgh. As m'learned friend the judge said at the time,

"In a case such as this it is all too easy for an exercise to develop of picking and choosing bits and pieces of the evidence from the transcripts and developing them in isolation from their context and the totality of the surrounding material."

It should concern you just a little that hizzoner seems to know you personally, Arjay.

But hey, about that note.

Even the most cursory examination shows it to be a fake. From the size of the writing - five words to a line? - to the clumsy phraseology - "I am sitting here at my desk today in October...", everything about it is phoney. No-one believed it then, when it magically appeared just in time to promote Burrell's re-imagining of history, "A Royal Duty", and the intervening years have added nothing to its credibility.

Yes, I know that it is pointless trying to guide you in the direction of a saner and less paranoid lifestyle, Arjay. But I promise I will keep on trying, for your own sake.
Posted by Pericles, Monday, 6 January 2014 9:46:12 AM
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I'd have to agree with your comments concerning the notorious Pacific Hwy. BELLY. One of the most dangerous Roads, of it's type, in the world. Sorry, I'm off Topic.

Concerning all the speculation and rumour dealing with Princess Diana's unforeseen death. There's always been an abundance of conspiracy theories associated with any unexpected of precipitous death, particularly with some famous identities in the music industry ?
Posted by o sung wu, Monday, 6 January 2014 1:46:52 PM
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A woman leaves a note describing almost exactly how she will be killed. That letter was not presented as evidence to the court. There is a litany of lies ,discrepancies and omitted evidence. Dianna told many of her friends that they were out to kill her.

The people whom she accused of wanting to kill her were not called to give evidence. The Judges who presided over this case have sworn allegiance to the Crown. Many of the Royals were asked to comment on this doco and refused. This doco was banned in GB. If it is a lie and a farce,why ban it? Freedom of expression?

The Japanese Govt has brought in new laws jailing any journo for 10 yrs publishing giving uncensored info on Fukushima. Trust our Govts?

In the wake Assange and Snowden revelations,you'd think that people would be a tad smarter.
Posted by Arjay, Monday, 6 January 2014 8:00:37 PM
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Arjay you will, I hope, remember our recent conversations about conspiracy's.
Just remind you it is my view this thread and thousands like it.
Keep our eyes away from true conspiracy's, and much more importantly, make people think every conspiracy is like this.
Duke is what he is a bad tempered product of an upper class that at best are twits.
But do you think he wanted to kill this girl from the same class as him?
So badly that her bodyguard could die too?
GEE.
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 5:48:18 AM
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Check your facts, Arjay.

>>A woman leaves a note describing almost exactly how she will be killed. That letter was not presented as evidence to the court.<<

That letter was in fact presented as evidence at the inquest.

"A handwritten letter in which Diana, Princess of Wales claimed that the Prince of Wales was plotting to kill her so he could marry Tiggy Legge-Bourke, the former nanny to Princes William and Harry, has been shown at the inquest into her death."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1573170/Princess-Diana-letter-Charles-plans-to-kill-me.html

Also in evidence:

"During questioning on Tuesday, the letter was shown to Lucia Flecha da Lima, the wife of the former Brazilian ambassador to London and one of the princess's closest confidantes. She said that the princess had never expressed fears for her safety. 'I still don't believe in it,' she said. 'Paul Burrell was perfectly capable of imitating Princess Diana's handwriting. I don't believe she was fearing for her life'"

Any half-decent conspiracy theorist would also notice that it was not written on the headed notepaper that she normally used.

Clearly faked.
Posted by Pericles, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 7:16:32 AM
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Here are two links to assist you check your facts, Arjay:

The link to access the evidence presented during the inquest,

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20090607230252/http://www.scottbaker-inquests.gov.uk/evidence/list.htm#dec20

and the link to access the transcripts of proceedings,

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20090607230252/http://www.scottbaker-inquests.gov.uk/hearing_transcripts/index.htm

To help further, Paul Burrell's evidence regarding the undated, unletterheaded note is during the morning session of 14 January 2008.

Keith Allen should really have titled his film "Unlawful killing (grossly negligent driving of the following vehicles and of the Mercedes)".

By the way the film is not banned. Mr. Allen (who I thought played an excellent Sheriff of Nottingham in 'Robin Hood') refused to comply with "British lawyers [who] insisted on 87 cuts before any UK release could be contemplated."
Posted by WmTrevor, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 9:21:54 AM
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sometimes you have to idiot proof our infrastructure
579,
Yeah well, it's just that I'm getting simply too sick of it. If people reaally see a need to protect idiots then shouldn't those who produce idiots be responsible for them instead of us taxpayers all the time ? Why not fine those who hand certificates of merit to idiots ?
As a matter of fact I think the idiot situation would make an interesting thread.
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 7:42:47 PM
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Idiot proof?
Every one of the deaths I speak about on the then Highway of Death [news paper gave it that name]
Could have been avoided.
Every single one.
Condition of any road any part of any road never forced the driver to drive too fast for the conditions.

Each poster here could start a conspiracy theory.
A few will believe anything.
But once more consider this, if every time such a conspiracy is aired it changes just maybe we should ask who is behind the lie and why.
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 5:37:56 AM
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WmTrevor the doco has been banned from being shown in public theatres.

If it was based on lies,the Royals would have sued Mohammad Fayed for producing it and he's worth at least a $ billion. So why haven't the Royals sued Fayed if it is a lie?

They would have picked this doco to pieces to save their reputations, send Fayed broke plus make a fortune.Why are the Royals so silent?
Posted by Arjay, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 7:16:15 PM
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Simple, Arjay.

>>Why are the Royals so silent?<<

De minimis non curat rex.

Or, in this case, regina.
Posted by Pericles, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 10:17:19 PM
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"WmTrevor the doco has been banned from being shown in public theatres."

No, Arjay, that is why I extracted Keith Allen's own words. Here is the full paragraph:

"Why is the film being premiered next week at Cannes, three years after the inquest ended? Because British lawyers insisted on 87 cuts before any UK release could be contemplated. So rather than butcher the film, or risk legal action, we're showing it in France, then the US, and everywhere except the UK. Pity, because at a time when the mindless sugar rush of the royal wedding has been sending British Rrepublicans into a diabetic coma, it could act as a welcome antidote."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/may/07/unlawful-killing-film-you-wont-see

This is fun...

"If it was based on lies,the Royals would have sued Mohammad Fayed for producing it and he's worth at least a $ billion. So why haven't the Royals sued Fayed if it is a lie?"

If it was based on truths, Mohamed Al-Fayed would have sued the Royals and they're worth at least hundreds of $ billion. So why hasn't Al-Fayed sued the Royals if it is true?

As you yourself have pointed out Mr. Al-Fayed is rich enough to afford the costs of bringing an action.
Posted by WmTrevor, Thursday, 9 January 2014 8:27:31 AM
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Neat, WmTrevor, neat!
Posted by Is Mise, Thursday, 9 January 2014 10:58:21 AM
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Wmtrevor you seem to ignore the fact that the British legal system swears allegiance to the Queen. How can anyone get a just hearing against such a system ?

Mohommad Fayed cannot sue the Royals even with good evidence because any damages must first pass via the Royal approved legal system.
Posted by Arjay, Friday, 10 January 2014 5:58:10 PM
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If you are referring to these, Arjay:

"When judges are sworn in they take two oaths/affirmations. The first is the oath of allegiance and the second the judicial oath; these are collectively referred to as the judicial oath.

Oath of allegiance

“I, _________ , do swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, her heirs and successors, according to law.”

Judicial oath

“I, _________ , do swear by Almighty God that I will well and truly serve our Sovereign Lady Queen Elizabeth the Second in the office of ________ , and I will do right to all manner of people after the laws and usages of this realm, without fear or favour, affection or ill will."

http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/about-the-judiciary/introduction-to-justice-system/oaths

I think the 'according to law' and 'do right to all manner of people after the laws and usages of this realm, without fear or favour, affection or ill will' should set Mr. Al-Fayed's mind at ease in that he is, by such oaths, guaranteed fair treatment even if he doesn't have good evidence.

The trouble is that he has no evidence of any credence with which to justify his assertions... what sort of person could do that and still maintain their argument with a straight face? Not once, but ad nauseam?
Posted by WmTrevor, Friday, 10 January 2014 7:06:31 PM
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Wmtrevor see the doco and Dianna Spencer says "they want me out of the way but I'm not going easily." Her own words are an indictment of these evil people.

There are 3 groups who had a motive.1/ the Royals because she would have made their family relatives to Arabs whom they detest.2/ The Military Industrial Complex because Dianna was waging a campaign against land mines.3/ The Zionists because Dianna was going to take up the Palistinian cause also.

Legal Nepotism and Royalty go hand in hand. Money and power buys a lot of judgement. Legality and truth are rarely bed fellows.I bet you have not even seen this doco.
Posted by Arjay, Friday, 10 January 2014 8:02:20 PM
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On the other hand there were those spoilt mental juveniles in a powerful car who got their kicks from playing cat and mouse with the media and never considered the road laws might apply to them or that there might be others using the road.

Did I add the drunk driver with a big foot on the gas pedal?

It was sad. It was avoidable. On this occasion no other innocent members of the public were affected. Just imagine though, your loved ones use roads too. There are always those who flaunt the law and put them in danger.

How ever did these egocentric, arrogant twits got away with behaviour like that for so long? Of course they must have been apprehended before. Did their power and influence always protect them as a privileged species? Perhaps there is a story in that?
Posted by onthebeach, Friday, 10 January 2014 8:17:17 PM
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0F COURSE LADY DI HAD TO DIE
JUST LIKE SEAL TEAM SIX..HAD TO DIE..[to preserve the bin larden lie

http://topinfopost.com/2014/01/04/michael-savage-seal-team-6-was-assassinated-executed SEAL Team 6 was assassinated, executed

SAME SAME

http://topinfopost.com/2013/06/21/over-20-seals-who-killed-osama-bin-laden-now-dead

http://topinfopost.com/2013/05/06/osama-bin-laden-died-of-natural-causes-according-to-former-cia-agent

http://topinfopost.com/2014/01/06/dick-cheney-says-osama-bin-laden-not-behind-911

THE system..first kills those who keep secrets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Vq39xQojI9k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csbzgoYlU_c&feature=youtu.be
Posted by one under god, Friday, 10 January 2014 9:43:37 PM
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BTW the ruling by the jury was Unlawful Killing by unknown vehicles that followed. Henri Paul the driver had only two drinks on his bill at the Hotel and video of him leaving show no sign of intoxication.

MI6 have a history of using extreme flashes to blind drivers and forcing them into collisions. This is many times brighter than a welding flash.They show us white paint in Di's Mercedes and many witnesses said there was a white Fiat Uno following with several bike riders. The paparazzi were accounted for. If it was them in the Fiat UNO they should have been charged.

The Doco is worth seeing.
Posted by Arjay, Saturday, 11 January 2014 2:20:35 PM
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>>The Doco is worth seeing.<<

It certainly is: this brief clip will tell you all you need to know about what happened on that fateful night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4meFC1ee7Q

Cheers,

Tony
Posted by Tony Lavis, Sunday, 12 January 2014 10:33:15 PM
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LEST WE Forget JFk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtvj-Bo-ErE
CLEARLY not SHOT FROM BEHIND
Posted by one under god, Monday, 13 January 2014 2:51:36 AM
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OUG..what are you doing up this late?...Those who dwell in the past, will seek no answers for the future....even you know that.

Planet3
Posted by PLANET3, Monday, 13 January 2014 3:52:00 AM
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P3..when spirit calls its time..then its time
regardless of 'the' time..

[THOSE WHO KILL IMAGINATIVELY..damm cap lock virus]..CANT SIMPLY KILL PEOPLE WITH HEART-ATTACKS STROKES..all the time..so we get the OCCASIONAL car crash..or plANE..and umbrella..OR RADioactiVE poisoning..or simple assassinations..[unlawful but/common kilLINGS]..

THeir secrets are that huge...their fear IS..that STRONg.
Posted by one under god, Monday, 13 January 2014 6:18:15 AM
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Britain’s Secret Terror Force - Former Members Reveal Their Secrets
http://undergrounddocumentaries.com/britains-secret-terror-force/

In the early 1970s, the British Army ran a secret undercover unit. Its existence was deniable and its tactics were so controversial that the unit was disbanded after just 14 months. Now, for the first time in 40 years, some of the unit’s former members break their silence and talk candidly to John Ware about how they took the war to the IRA, sometimes even imitating the IRA itself. The soldiers believe they saved many lives. But Panorama’s new evidence reveals that some members of the unit operated outside the law, firing on and killing unarmed civilians. The Ministry of Defence says it has referred Panorama’s allegations to the police.

Counter Intelligence – Shining a Light on Black Operations
http://undergrounddocumentaries.com/counter-intelligence-shining-a-light-on-black-operations/

This 5-part documentary is a great expose on the national surveillance state that has arisen over the last 50-100 years. Manipulating elections, overthrowing foreign governments, and secret assassinations are just a few of the heinous acts committed in the name of national security. Now that Edward Snowden has blown the lid off of the NSA’s Prism snooping program, this film series is even more important and relevant.

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