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Throwing good money after bad

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There must be members of this forum who have witnessed this repeated scores of times over the decades.

It is worth going to the link to see the photos of destroyed property.

As a taxpayer I am damned angry at the contempt for property and waste.

<Southside Housing Aboriginal Corporation placed into administration
December 23, 2013
A Canberra-based indigenous housing organisation has been put into administration amid chaotic accounting and spiralling debt.

An investigation into the Southside Housing Aboriginal Corporation found glaring financial irregularities within the organisation, whose documents were "either non-existent, incomplete or did not match the amount withdrawn from the corporation's bank account".

In addition to substantial debts, investigators found the current directors of the corporation were all tenants in the properties handled by the organisation.

It is not the first time the corporation has been placed under administration, according to Frank Lo Pilato from RSM Bird Cameron. Mr Lo Pilato was appointed one of two administrators for the corporation on Wednesday, but could provide little comment on the assessment to date.
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The examination also found the corporation "may have given financial benefits to related parties without following due process", and that reimbursements were given to directors for work undertaken without proper documentation.
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Mr Armstrong said investigators also found the corporation did not follow due process in regards to membership and failed to provide documentation for directors' meetings, which are meant to be held quarterly, between July 2010 and February 2011, December 2011 and June 2013.>

http://tinyurl.com/Camberra-indigenous
Posted by onthebeach, Monday, 23 December 2013 7:27:42 AM
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hey..mate..if i dont like you
but..im too much afraid..of you[as if]
then..i wouldnt even..try to 'break-you'..only your stuff

now if we..put enough disempowerd people into the pre-ceeding of gaza[yes australia field/tested/trialed/perfected..the isolate depenend-iate..the colonized/via isolation..like the gaza solution..then of course stress has its breaking point/

so i break your words..not your face*
Posted by one under god, Monday, 23 December 2013 8:23:24 AM
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More like, 'easy come, easy go'.
Posted by onthebeach, Monday, 23 December 2013 8:33:07 AM
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i..must appologuise..for the words
see my computer..has a virus[somehow the curser is hyper sensitive
ften a second
o
often..deleting whole lumps of texs..in a go

i mention..it..because i..noted most the post i wrote had disappeared/following the final;edit

but no doudt others will say it better
as they have better words..the only..way..i can type now/allows too much gap..for new thought to/be recorded..but it is as it is..im so over posting[and nuthin changes]

arnt you?
[one quarter of the posters are just botts]
half are paid trolls..the other are lobby
or ia
m?

how do i know your not just a robot?
someytimes..their too perfect..then..when/their programing
wage/position/motivation..stops..so too..their posts..sadly*

defend what you must defend
but solutions cannot be simplistic.
Posted by one under god, Monday, 23 December 2013 8:38:59 AM
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<<Throwing good money after bad>>

So where is John Pilger ...John ...John ...over here
Posted by SPQR, Monday, 23 December 2013 9:07:05 AM
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<defend what you must defend
but solutions cannot be simplistic>

Ah, but there are many, many, reports, recommendations and even helpful guides published by the federal government's own auditor, the Australian National Audit Office over many, many years.

It is such an ill-directed, wasteful, fraud ridden mess that in recent decades the ANAO has been reduced to those very broad, global, high level recommendations such as get your strategy together, for god's sake coordinate, set performance measures, report and monitor results.

Good money after bad, continually. To be expected where the recipients don't have to work for it and consequently don't take any pride of ownership. Makes a mockery of the self-management and self-determination initiatives that have been employed over and over again.
Posted by onthebeach, Monday, 23 December 2013 9:10:21 AM
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Happy taxpayers,
Merry Xmas... well at least some people will be having a happy Xmas... at taxpayer expense.
Any money given to indigenous services or enterprises run by indigenous people especially pretenders, or quadroons and octroons extraction is money pissed down the drain.
Posted by chrisgaff1000, Monday, 23 December 2013 9:49:31 AM
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I forgot to add that the Registered Clubs and the AHA might object as their continuing revenue streams disintegrate before their eyes.
Posted by chrisgaff1000, Monday, 23 December 2013 9:52:20 AM
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Yes, anyone who misuses the public money provided for them should be punished, and they will be I'm sure.

We have laws in Australia that deal with crimes like these, no matter who you are.
I am sure Government money has been misappropriated by people from all walks of life.

They aren't even in the same league as people like Alan Bond though, and him with not a smidgen of Indigenous blood in him....
Posted by Suseonline, Monday, 23 December 2013 9:56:02 AM
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<<Yes, anyone who misuses the public money provided for them should be punished, and they will be I'm sure.>>

Now there speaks someone who would have seen "fairies dancing on the lawn"
:http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6158#178751
Posted by SPQR, Monday, 23 December 2013 10:06:20 AM
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Yep, the apology will fix everything.

Yea right!
Posted by rehctub, Monday, 23 December 2013 11:48:20 AM
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<<Yep, the apology will fix everything>>

Nah! Things have moved on from there. What we reaaaaaaaaaaaaally need is a treaty, and special recognition in the constitution, and teaching in/of indigenous languages and more episodes of Redfern Now on ABC prime-time...
Posted by SPQR, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 7:08:36 AM
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Federal Reserve 100 Years of Failure
http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2013/12/22/federal-reserve-100-years-of-failure/

We all know or should all know that the Federal Reserve conspiracy is an ongoing theft syndicate.

The Fed is privately owned, and its shareholders are private banks. In fact, 100% of its shareholders are private banks. None of its stock is owned by the government.

The actual purpose of the architects of the Federal Reserve System has never changed. Consolidate the control of money into a concealed cartel of banking houses that ultimately decide economic and political policy.

Dispensing of credit to corporatist projects, owned or run by reliable operatives of the cabal is the objective. The only beneficiaries are the original stockholders.

Please Watch these Videos and read this excellent article with many links to further information:

listen to alex jones
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[they have asked my demands..and i have only need for healthy food]
this post WAS*..blanked off by a microSOFT..fact check..but has now been restored..

peace..should be declared[decreed]..shortly
now is the time..to talk..revealyouir grievences
hrh..is listening

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6152#178808

are you..men enough for peace?
are you woman..enough..to forbid..thy children..to/die in ANY war?

are you/humane enough..to see without fear?

all we are saying..is give peace a chance
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[your life /your very living..depends onthis final..skirmish]
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 11:38:24 AM
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Why does the government tax me to fund people to rort the system and commit malicious vandalism?

Why am I taxed to fund the hordes who have been swinging from the guvvy teats for decades as part of an enduring multicultural industry?

Why am I taxed to fund the ferocious and tenacious advocates, lobbyists and activists who are indulging in political action, much of which I disagree with, anyhow?

How many billions does it take in direct and indirect funding from already overburdened taxpayers?
Posted by onthebeach, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 11:44:14 AM
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onthebeach

'Why does the government tax me to fund people to rort the system and commit malicious vandalism? '

its called no backbone. they know it and create more Government positions to do nothing or little about it. Thankfully Abbott has drastically slowed the boats and cut funding for sleazy lawyers to defend the indefensible. Only touched the surface of it howvever.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 12:03:02 PM
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runner, "its called no backbone. they know it and create more Government positions to do nothing or little about it."

True enough.
Posted by onthebeach, Thursday, 26 December 2013 9:59:39 AM
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Cut off the drip and get rid of the Noel Pearson agenda to outnumber the white population then watch them scrounge for food.
No work no food means no food you die.so what.
Posted by chrisgaff1000, Thursday, 26 December 2013 7:57:25 PM
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How often over the years have there been hundreds of millions of taxpayers' money blown on aboriginal housing? How many homes remain and in what condition?

<THE Rudd Government has stepped in to save its $672 million flagship Aboriginal housing program, slashing bureaucracy and taking a more hands-on role.

Fears were expressed earlier this month that the cost of the program could blow out to more than $1 billion.

Former Northern Territory government minister Alison Anderson left the Labor Party over concerns that most of the money would not be spent on actually building houses.
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The report has also revised the cost of providing a unit, or house, down to $450,000.

Mr Henderson denied this meant the houses would be smaller but said there would be “more standardised designs”.>
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/macklin-slashes-red-tape-to-rebuild-aboriginal-housing-scheme/story-e6freon6-1225767976854

This lot believe that a $450,000 home is cheap. However, the likelihood is over $1million a house, as free gifts, and the majority destroyed and abandoned within a few years of completion.
Posted by onthebeach, Friday, 27 December 2013 8:37:09 AM
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I am agree with useful suggestions and to know the feedback from professionals. Guideline style and elaboration with detailed discussions is impressive.
Posted by jaxon, Friday, 27 December 2013 7:24:12 PM
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onthebeach,
I wonder where they are building these $450,000 houses? Must be in the city / town centers as a reasonable 3 Bed house can be built for $200,000 so the land prices must be dearer than the house.
Posted by Josephus, Saturday, 28 December 2013 7:19:37 PM
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Onthebeach,
I am sorry your thread hasn't picked up the traction it should because indigenous housing or the funding around it is primarily the main waste of public money.
Indigenous education and training comes second and health third in my books.
All are bottomless pits of public money waste.
The indigenous population would be lucky to contribute one percent of the countries revenue base but suck enormous floods of cash out.
Most of it is wasted.
There is no profit in indigenous housing. Not even on the long term capitalization process because repair and maintenance costs outweigh the capital growth in the first place.
You cannot educate or train a brain that does not want to be educated or trained and has no concept of a work ethic.
More than half of the health problems of indigenous people are SIW "self inflicted wounds" and throwing money at these people who are unwilling to change their lifestyles is wasting money.

Josephus
The average cost of a three bed home built in Aurukun or Bamaga is closer to 1,000,000 dollars and they get to rent them for 30 dollars a week.
In New Marpoon at the moment they are building 7 bedroom houses for families that have full social security support by pay a minimal amount in rent.
Posted by chrisgaff1000, Sunday, 29 December 2013 4:47:03 PM
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No Josephus, it's just that the contractors who build these home gouge the tax payer and the government let's them get away with it. School halls ongoing.

That, and the extreme freight to get materials there.

In fact, I know a guy who gets paid in excess of three Gand a week to repair these homes.

He starts on one and by the time he gets to number twelve, number one has been trashed again.

Throw them out on the street as nothing and no amount of funding will change their ways.
Posted by rehctub, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 9:34:07 AM
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In many places, states and territories, continues the struggle for equality of opportunity and responsibility.

This requires ongoing effort to force standard requirements upon abusive corporate trust bodies who as title-holder for the land are the real owners of these lands and houses.

Start with ending Commonwealth exemption, force them to issue standard tenancy leases to tenants - starting with anyone who wants a lease.

Even where acknowledged "Traditional Owner" tenants ask for them, these outside thus under standard legislation unaccountable bandits refuse them, because the exemptions let them...

They do this because they know providing leases, gives people rights.

Until end fraudulent behavior provided through either laziness or ignorant "cultural sympathy" nothing improves..

x
Posted by polpak, Sunday, 5 January 2014 2:54:00 PM
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Fraud is fraud no matter the perpetrator, but the truth is where there are political sensitivities there is not always equal action under the law.

To use a comparison, one only has to look at the rorting of entitlements by some politicians and the corruption at the worst end of this scenario, such as by Obeid, MacDonald and their ilk. Peter Slipper is in Court for rorting travel and transport expenses while other parliamentarians just pay it back and go on as before. Why did the DPP only charge Slipper when the evidence of rorting by others was in the public domain? Power? I have no sympathy for Slipper, he has been a serial rorter by all accounts, but if you charge one you charge all. It is politically motivated.

Or look at corporate corruption and greed which sometimes the taxpayer ends up funding via bailouts etc for organisations who are too-big-to-fail and throw in political donations and the old boys/girls network and very little justice in the end.

Sometimes there is justice sometimes there is not, sometimes there is only political expedience and patronage.
Posted by pelican, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 8:48:57 AM
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